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jason2
06-01-2006, 01:16 PM
http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6060601.003/6060601.003.mini1L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6060601.003/6060601.003.mini2L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6060601.003/6060601.003.mini3L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6060601.003/6060601.003.mini4L.jpg

The_Chad
06-01-2006, 01:21 PM

StoneWalk
06-01-2006, 01:27 PM
StoneWalk, Santa Barbara California

StMedina
06-01-2006, 01:28 PM
nice.

95DayVI
06-01-2006, 01:34 PM
_______
GC RTAB shims, RSMs, T/S Coilover with Koni DA f/SA R & 450#f/550#r Eibach ERS
Sunbelt CAMS w chip for 24# injectors, Euro MAF, Conforti/ITG CAI
96+ exhaust manifolds
Euro fLoAtErS, Mintex C-Tech 1144 blend
accessory UDPs
M roadster lever
All done in my garage

tschangrx7
06-01-2006, 01:37 PM
not good enough to deserve an M3 badge.

jason2
06-01-2006, 01:39 PM
http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/ITS/ITS185/ITF085014.jpg

jason2
06-01-2006, 01:42 PM
i'd expect the hood bump like the E46M3 and the front end probably like this:


http://www.leftlanenews.com/wp-images/media/1-may11-bmw-spy.jpg

KEF
06-01-2006, 01:45 PM
since we all know it is coming, I'll make it easy for you

A) Look's good to me!

B) I wonder if the E46 resale will suffer

C) People will buy it because it's a BMW

I hope this helps to simplify your daily Trolling experience here

8)

Cheers,
KEF

<img src="http://members.roadfly.org/kef/Night4_Sig_R9.jpg">

Go Buckeyes!

brettusc
06-01-2006, 01:48 PM
<img src="http://www.bimmer.info/bmw/brett530i/regis6%20(2).jpg"height=160width160>http://forums1.roadfly.com/preferences/showsigimage.php?img=3267

95DayVI
06-01-2006, 02:26 PM
_______
GC RTAB shims, RSMs, T/S Coilover with Koni DA f/SA R & 450#f/550#r Eibach ERS
Sunbelt CAMS w chip for 24# injectors, Euro MAF, Conforti/ITG CAI
96+ exhaust manifolds
Euro fLoAtErS, Mintex C-Tech 1144 blend
accessory UDPs
M roadster lever
All done in my garage

MarkG
06-01-2006, 03:14 PM
I think it will have one very similar to the M5. If the one in this pic is the front end, it will be a shame.

http://mydrive.roadfly.com/blog/uploads/MarkG_Cars.JPG

http://banners.wunderground.com/banner/gizmotimetempbig_both/language/www/US/NV/RENO.gif

Coming soon...
2007 Z06

MarkG
06-01-2006, 03:16 PM
http://mydrive.roadfly.com/blog/uploads/MarkG_Cars.JPG

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Coming soon...
2007 Z06

RonCT
06-01-2006, 03:35 PM
If so, BMW will make some good money changing it out for another E46 front scoop... I remember your post a while back showing that possible front and an equally ugly rear diffuser and thought "that would really ruin it for me..."

rpps
06-01-2006, 07:16 PM
like i stated before, this is probably just a slap on oem aero-kit, just like the ones featured on past bmw models.

the NEW m3 will probably have a m5-ish/m6-ish more swoopy design, not this rigid type design.

rpps
06-01-2006, 07:19 PM
why is it everytime a new design is spy'd driving around everyone bashes it terribly?

my prediction is that the design will eventually grow on everyone. i mean it is an m3 right? haha.

just give it a chance boys.

StoneWalk
06-01-2006, 08:18 PM
Nothing growing over here. Sometimes ugly design is simply ugly design, all day, every day.

I expect the e90 coupe will be less offensive visually than, for example, the current 5 and 6 series. However it will also not be anything like the last 3 generations of M3 where a large majority of the faithful immediate drooled over it, and love it years later.

Did the Pontiac Aztek "grow" on anyone?

Did anyone have to learn-to-like the Aston AMV8?

StoneWalk, Santa Barbara California

Joey
06-01-2006, 09:38 PM
i dont like these photos - and i mentally have my name on the new m3.... may have to rethink this...

m3jstock
06-01-2006, 11:12 PM
Just like I don't like the E90, I don't like this Bangle-ized M3 either.

I guess they wanted to make sure the E46s kept their value when they designed this car.

4thm3
06-01-2006, 11:19 PM
About half the height of the grill opening is a silvery 'radiator'. That could be a relatively small FMIC.

My guess is that this is the twin-turbo 6-cyl 335i with either a quad-exhaust as a decoy or the real thing. After all, our 6cyl e46m3's have quad exhausts.

jason2
06-02-2006, 12:24 AM
these spy pictures were taken yesterday. BMW is way past the test mule stage with the 335i.



http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/6455/011152x8701hu.jpg
http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/143/021152x8705xb.jpg
http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/4723/031152x8709vv.jpg
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7786/041152x8704zj.jpg
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8036/051152x8705xd.jpg
http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/5003/061152x8707yj.jpg
http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/139/071152x8703sg.jpg
http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/2933/081152x8703fn.jpg
http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/7889/091152x8704zb.jpg
http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/8645/101152x8706kz.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2060421.007/2060421.007.mini1L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2060421.007/2060421.007.mini2L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2060421.007/2060421.007.mini3L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2060421.007/2060421.007.mini4L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2060421.007/2060421.007.mini5L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2060421.007/2060421.007.mini6L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2060421.007/2060421.007.mini7L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2060421.007/2060421.007.mini8L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2060421.007/2060421.007.mini9L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2060421.007/2060421.007.mini10L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2060421.007/2060421.007.mini11L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2060421.007/2060421.007.mini12L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2060421.007/2060421.007.mini13L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2060421.007/2060421.007.mini14L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2060421.007/2060421.007.mini15L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2060421.007/2060421.007.mini16L.jpg
http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2060421.007/2060421.007.mini17L.jpg

gregwminmmoregon
06-02-2006, 12:33 AM
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<B>Greg</B> Lake Oswego, Oregon
<HR>
2001 M3 Coupe - Titanium/Cinnamon
Prem. Pkg., Xenon, CWP, adj. seat width, HK, Matte Chrome trim; RAC Monolite RG4 forged wheels (19x9, 10), Michelin PS2s 245/275, CSL/ZCP rotors, Stoptech sst lines, GC custom Koni/Eibach coilovers/camber plates, Larini sst exhaust, ACS SSK w/ Z8 shift knob, ACS pedal covers/handbrake, UUC Big Boy clutch stop, CDV delete, OEM strut tower brace, '04 LEDs/trunk lights, V1 w/ hardwire & in-cluster remote display, euro front bumper cover, euro first aid kit & warning triangle, space saver spare, painted foglight rings, PIAA Xtreme Plus fogs, SilverVision front turns.
2006 Mercedes-Benz ML350 Pewter/Charcoal Alcantara/Aluminum
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gregwminmmoregon
06-02-2006, 12:35 AM
more aggressive power bulge.******>
<B>Greg</B> Lake Oswego, Oregon
<HR>
2001 M3 Coupe - Titanium/Cinnamon
Prem. Pkg., Xenon, CWP, adj. seat width, HK, Matte Chrome trim; RAC Monolite RG4 forged wheels (19x9, 10), Michelin PS2s 245/275, CSL/ZCP rotors, Stoptech sst lines, GC custom Koni/Eibach coilovers/camber plates, Larini sst exhaust, ACS SSK w/ Z8 shift knob, ACS pedal covers/handbrake, UUC Big Boy clutch stop, CDV delete, OEM strut tower brace, '04 LEDs/trunk lights, V1 w/ hardwire & in-cluster remote display, euro front bumper cover, euro first aid kit & warning triangle, space saver spare, painted foglight rings, PIAA Xtreme Plus fogs, SilverVision front turns.
2006 Mercedes-Benz ML350 Pewter/Charcoal Alcantara/Aluminum
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gregwminmmoregon
06-02-2006, 12:36 AM
if that's the real front fascia.******>
<B>Greg</B> Lake Oswego, Oregon
<HR>
2001 M3 Coupe - Titanium/Cinnamon
Prem. Pkg., Xenon, CWP, adj. seat width, HK, Matte Chrome trim; RAC Monolite RG4 forged wheels (19x9, 10), Michelin PS2s 245/275, CSL/ZCP rotors, Stoptech sst lines, GC custom Koni/Eibach coilovers/camber plates, Larini sst exhaust, ACS SSK w/ Z8 shift knob, ACS pedal covers/handbrake, UUC Big Boy clutch stop, CDV delete, OEM strut tower brace, '04 LEDs/trunk lights, V1 w/ hardwire & in-cluster remote display, euro front bumper cover, euro first aid kit & warning triangle, space saver spare, painted foglight rings, PIAA Xtreme Plus fogs, SilverVision front turns.
2006 Mercedes-Benz ML350 Pewter/Charcoal Alcantara/Aluminum
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MarkG
06-02-2006, 12:50 AM
You can see the bolts around the camo piece covering the center section of the hood.

http://mydrive.roadfly.com/blog/uploads/MarkG_Cars.JPG

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2007 Z06

em3
06-02-2006, 01:19 AM
<img src="http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/3779/spye92m3vsphotoshopped335i9ez.jpg"><br>
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em3
06-02-2006, 01:24 AM

more than drooling.... M3Law
06-02-2006, 07:54 AM

darkjay
06-02-2006, 08:47 AM
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schiano
06-02-2006, 12:20 PM
in a few years when my E46 M3 got old and became my daughter's car - yep, I know that will be fun!

But this!

It just doesn't project any excitement at all - I feel like a Pontiac owner.

Bottom line: It looks like a very ordinary car. It will make the 'stealth' people happy. But that's not a big group when you spend $60K on a car. You want to show it off. You want it to make a statement, at least 'I'm different'. This is a Lexus/Infiniti/mishmosh.

Yuck.

StoneWalk
06-02-2006, 12:49 PM
StoneWalk, Santa Barbara California

GregW / Oregon
06-02-2006, 01:34 PM
The final car when it's revealed should be much better. That's my line and I'm sticking to it!

-dens
06-02-2006, 01:34 PM
its a driving machine not a bling machine

GregW / Oregon
06-02-2006, 01:43 PM
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/brooksthepro/IMG_8956.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/brooksthepro/IMG_8954.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/brooksthepro/IMG_8937.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/brooksthepro/IMG_9007.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/brooksthepro/IMG_9000.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/brooksthepro/IMG_8969.jpg

jason2
06-02-2006, 02:25 PM
full album (http://www.sbeuroclub.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=1204&sid=985431093979e6f1da528289cdbc0f9b&PHPSESSID=35f837914d4cac3685669e523f71884e)

smurfm3
06-02-2006, 04:41 PM
hopefully they'll start oem'ing the PS2's... surprised they still put PS1's and ContiSportContact 1's on the current cars rolling out... you would think they would have PS2's on there, if only to increase mag test numbers... ContiSportContact 2 is a marked improvement over the Conti 1, AFAIK.

smurfm3
06-02-2006, 04:42 PM
pics are questionable... who knows? the first ones look like something different since I can't detect the stepped lip

ChuckD
06-02-2006, 04:43 PM
That might tell us a little bit about the car.. Can you zoom in and read the sizes? :)

smurfm3
06-02-2006, 05:12 PM

StMedina
06-02-2006, 05:15 PM

smurfm3
06-02-2006, 05:18 PM
That's a porsche only size at the moment, AFAIK.

I would have thought immediately 335 Sport if it were 255/40R18, but if it's 265/40R18 that means that it has a chance of being the actual prototype. 265/40 is not a standard size...

smurfm3
06-02-2006, 05:20 PM

AEsco48
06-02-2006, 05:56 PM
-AE

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Function over Form

Miami, FL

rpps
06-02-2006, 06:31 PM
well imho the amv8 is rather boring look and the interior is rather bland as dp has stated on the other boards.

i think i would rather have something a bit more controversial and driver-oriented than something that has been done slightly redesigned and reused for a half century.

just my opinion.

geetee
06-02-2006, 06:39 PM

Winterborne
06-02-2006, 06:40 PM
how appropriate and keep up the good work enforcing that generalization.

StoneWalk
06-02-2006, 06:49 PM

StoneWalk
06-02-2006, 06:50 PM

Winterborne
06-02-2006, 06:51 PM
overly status-conscious brandwhore and one who feels the need to compensate for their lack of self-esteem through the purchase of a flashy and expensive vehicle.

95M3CSL
06-02-2006, 06:52 PM
likely to have a wheel design similar to current M5 and M6 is my guess. I don't think they'll be like the LMs as that is a relatively older design (5-6 years old now, is that right). I think those are test mule wheels that they just have lying around to test the car on. The tires sizes and type are probably correct for testing purposes.

Regards,
Marc
95M3
06M3 somewhere in a VPC...

jason2
06-02-2006, 07:03 PM
http://members.roadfly.com/jason2/suicide6.jpg

StoneWalk
06-02-2006, 07:08 PM
StoneWalk, Santa Barbara California

rpps
06-03-2006, 02:08 AM

StoneWalk
06-03-2006, 03:44 AM
I cannot fathom any rational human looking at the two photos I've posted and indicating that the Aston is "too bland" while the 6er is somehow more interesting or attractive or less bland.

But hey - to each their own. Feel free to go buy a 6 series - BMW needs your business, whereas the aston is sold out till sometime in 2007.


StoneWalk, Santa Barbara California

La Migra
06-03-2006, 08:19 AM
http://forums1.roadfly.com/preferences/showsigimage.php?img=128766

u so' (or eating crow) haha - Smoltz
06-03-2006, 10:00 AM

geetee
06-03-2006, 10:57 AM

tlennen
06-03-2006, 10:04 PM
I agree 100%. I actually don't want this car to be real showy. The reason I like BMW's is the performance. I don't need to mask my insecurities by wheeling around in a car that screams "look at me." You have to wonder how many people are wheeling in cars they cannot afford for that reason. Pretty sad....

gregwminmmoregon
06-03-2006, 11:34 PM
The CL55 has "245/40 ZR19 XL front and 274/35 ZR19 XL rear, high performance." Don't know too many mfrs. making 274s but I'll assume they mean 275.

http://www.mbusa.com/models/features/specs/chassis.do?modelCode=CL55&class=06_CL******>
<B>Greg</B> Lake Oswego, Oregon
<HR>
2001 M3 Coupe - Titanium/Cinnamon
Prem. Pkg., Xenon, CWP, adj. seat width, HK, Matte Chrome trim; RAC Monolite RG4 forged wheels (19x9, 10), Michelin PS2s 245/275, CSL/ZCP rotors, Stoptech sst lines, GC custom Koni/Eibach coilovers/camber plates, Larini sst exhaust, ACS SSK w/ Z8 shift knob, ACS pedal covers/handbrake, UUC Big Boy clutch stop, CDV delete, OEM strut tower brace, '04 LEDs/trunk lights, V1 w/ hardwire & in-cluster remote display, euro front bumper cover, euro first aid kit & warning triangle, space saver spare, painted foglight rings, PIAA Xtreme Plus fogs, SilverVision front turns.
2006 Mercedes-Benz ML350 Pewter/Charcoal Alcantara/Aluminum
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gregwminmmoregon
06-04-2006, 12:25 AM
******>
<B>Greg</B> Lake Oswego, Oregon
<HR>
2001 M3 Coupe - Titanium/Cinnamon
Prem. Pkg., Xenon, CWP, adj. seat width, HK, Matte Chrome trim; RAC Monolite RG4 forged wheels (19x9, 10), Michelin PS2s 245/275, CSL/ZCP rotors, Stoptech sst lines, GC custom Koni/Eibach coilovers/camber plates, Larini sst exhaust, ACS SSK w/ Z8 shift knob, ACS pedal covers/handbrake, UUC Big Boy clutch stop, CDV delete, OEM strut tower brace, '04 LEDs/trunk lights, V1 w/ hardwire & in-cluster remote display, euro front bumper cover, euro first aid kit & warning triangle, space saver spare, painted foglight rings, PIAA Xtreme Plus fogs, SilverVision front turns.
2006 Mercedes-Benz ML350 Pewter/Charcoal Alcantara/Aluminum
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gregwminmmoregon
06-04-2006, 12:45 AM
Geetee and his girlfriend:

http://is.netshops.com/mgen/master:RFI021.jpg?is=300,300,0xffffff&cvt=jpg******>
<B>Greg</B> Lake Oswego, Oregon
<HR>
2001 M3 Coupe - Titanium/Cinnamon
Prem. Pkg., Xenon, CWP, adj. seat width, HK, Matte Chrome trim; RAC Monolite RG4 forged wheels (19x9, 10), Michelin PS2s 245/275, CSL/ZCP rotors, Stoptech sst lines, GC custom Koni/Eibach coilovers/camber plates, Larini sst exhaust, ACS SSK w/ Z8 shift knob, ACS pedal covers/handbrake, UUC Big Boy clutch stop, CDV delete, OEM strut tower brace, '04 LEDs/trunk lights, V1 w/ hardwire & in-cluster remote display, euro front bumper cover, euro first aid kit & warning triangle, space saver spare, painted foglight rings, PIAA Xtreme Plus fogs, SilverVision front turns.
2006 Mercedes-Benz ML350 Pewter/Charcoal Alcantara/Aluminum
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gregwminmmoregon
06-04-2006, 12:50 AM
******>
<B>Greg</B> Lake Oswego, Oregon
<HR>
2001 M3 Coupe - Titanium/Cinnamon
Prem. Pkg., Xenon, CWP, adj. seat width, HK, Matte Chrome trim; RAC Monolite RG4 forged wheels (19x9, 10), Michelin PS2s 245/275, CSL/ZCP rotors, Stoptech sst lines, GC custom Koni/Eibach coilovers/camber plates, Larini sst exhaust, ACS SSK w/ Z8 shift knob, ACS pedal covers/handbrake, UUC Big Boy clutch stop, CDV delete, OEM strut tower brace, '04 LEDs/trunk lights, V1 w/ hardwire & in-cluster remote display, euro front bumper cover, euro first aid kit & warning triangle, space saver spare, painted foglight rings, PIAA Xtreme Plus fogs, SilverVision front turns.
2006 Mercedes-Benz ML350 Pewter/Charcoal Alcantara/Aluminum
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rtseng
06-04-2006, 02:17 AM
When a new Ferrari 430 pulls along side of you. You will immediately become second place and you know what we call those people, losers.

smurfm3
06-04-2006, 03:12 AM

em3
06-04-2006, 08:39 AM
it's like they are timing this exactly at the end of production of the E46 M3 coupe<br>
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Allen Schiano
06-05-2006, 11:09 PM

Allen Schiano
06-05-2006, 11:09 PM

Allen Schiano
06-05-2006, 11:10 PM

Allen Schiano
06-05-2006, 11:11 PM

Allen Schiano
06-05-2006, 11:15 PM
much at this point. I'm trying to remember with the E46 was it very different when camoed. Don't remember.

BTW, the other item that concerns me about the next M3 is of all things mileage. I was looking at the specs for the M5/M6. 500 HP but 10-11 MPG. Now of course if you spent $100K on a car what is a few $K of gas. But it does scream real in-effeciency of the engine to me. Z06 have 500HP and do much better. What will the E92 M3 get? Doesn't sound like they're aiming at the lightweight road race car anymore. That's kind of sad.

MarkG
06-06-2006, 11:13 AM
Weird how they're designing this car NOW, isn't it? It's right when the E46 M3 is nearing the end of production...hmmmm...VERY fishy, if you ask me.

Seriously, these pics aren't leaked. These are random spy shots of the test mules. BMW has to test the car on real streets while the car is in development. The ones that appear to be leaked are the production-quality car pics that show up 6 months before the car is supposed to appear...like with the E90 brochure that came out last year.

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2007 Z06

MarkG
06-06-2006, 11:22 AM
If you were really only interested in performance, there are plenty of faster but cheaper and less-flashy cars you can buy than a BMW. And if there weren't, and the BMW was too flashy for you, would you get it in a bland color like brown and put black wheels on it so that you wouldn't be noticed at all? The reality is that BMWs have traditionally been attractive cars, and that is part of their appeal.

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2007 Z06

e90
06-07-2006, 02:58 AM

Allen Schiano
06-07-2006, 10:09 AM

Gnome Saying?
06-07-2006, 10:28 AM
http://forums1.roadfly.com/preferences/showsigimage.php?img=128766

Nautilus
06-07-2006, 11:27 AM
I have to agree with someone who earlier pointed out that the Bangle BMW's are have lost the agressive look of the previous generation due to a more sloping/raked front end and grill.

It is very similar to what Porsche did when it went from the 993 to the 996. The 911 lost so much with that transistion, and for what? Better aerodynamics? Simply to be different? And now on the 997, they have gone back to the round headlights of the 993, but still have the sloping front end and raked windshield of the 996. The 997 still doesn't hold a candle to the badass 993.

I still think the 959 is easily the best looking 911 ever. The 993 TT is a distant second.

The E46 to E90 change is far far worse than the 993 to 996 change, IMO.

jmayzurk
06-07-2006, 11:46 AM
Your E92::996 analogy is a good one, and is basically the same conclusion I've come to--that this generation of 3-series may be an "ugly duckling," and therefore some of us will skip a generation.

Porsche came to their senses with the 997--that is, after the styling disaster of the 996. Not surprisingly, however, the 996 was a commercial success, even if it alienated the Porsche faithful. I suspect the same will hold true for the new E90/E92 M3.

Personally, I'm holding on to my E46 M3...just like I'm holding on to my 993tt. The 997 still has nothing on these curves:

http://static.flickr.com/60/153883968_156497d0b7.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/55/150200002_b64c6a0fcc.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/12/96104992_ed1d7fb11c.jpg

Nautilus
06-07-2006, 12:29 PM
OMG, that is beautiful. I would still take a 959 over it though. :p

That front end is the best ever. Not only did Porsche screw up the 911 with the 996 styling, but the fact they more or less pulled a Frakenstein and lifted the entire front end for the bastard child Boxster seriously diluted the image of the 911, IMO. I mean, what kind of crap excuse is it that they did that to save money???

I used to absolutely adore 911's when I was growing up. I still have fantasy of owning a 911 TT in forest green metallic with brown leather (yes, I know, a little weird). But if I got one, it would have to be a used 993. Such a pity, I have absolutely no desire for the 997.

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Rezzak
06-08-2006, 02:05 AM
Have you ever seen a 959 in person? The thing might as well be a milk truck! It is so outdated and brawny looking. When I was a kid I loved it but then again I also loved the Lamborghini Countach. Now a days I look at them both and want to puke. The 930 slant nose is easily the best looking Porsche ever made. As far as the looks of the 993? It is still a nice looking car but the new 997 GT3 and Turbos are the best looking modern era Porsches period. They both make the Carrera GT look goofy.

geetee
06-08-2006, 02:09 AM
you will have to buy his creations.

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the LOYAL customers who made BMW what it is away, into the arms of competitors.

His 'designs', being the fad du jour, will suffer the same fate all fads do when the Next New Thing With Designer Label shows up, but you are too stupid & your fist is too far up Bunghole's bunghole to realize this.

His 'designs' are in the BOTTOM THIRD of quality rankings, despite absurd pricepoints.

His 'designs' appeal to douchebags like you.

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06-08-2006, 11:22 AM
Are you as big an [Oops!] when you aren't posting on message boards?

Sorry if the 959 looks too "brawny" for you.

http://www.seriouswheels.com/images/a_1988_Porsche_959.jpg

Nautilus
06-08-2006, 11:38 AM
Here's another nice shot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Porsche_959_34_rear.jpg#file

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06-08-2006, 11:55 AM
There is no accounting for bad taste.

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StMedina
06-08-2006, 02:23 PM
but then again, it is what it is...a second car, that gets from a to b comfortably....AC works great, ride is quiet, but quite honestly, I don't look at it....I take it thru drive thru washes....throw sod in the trunk, in short, I don't care for it like its "sliced bread".

its a good car, less ugly than the 5 and 7....and it gets the job done....

i got a great deal on it....with something like 77% or 82% residual after 2 years.....i'll turn it in, move to something else....nothing down, low payments, a few grand off of msrp....so...its not as If I was looking for a new car....this was simply a deal that was worthy.

i had to throw the LM"s on there to less ugly it up..

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StMedina
06-08-2006, 02:25 PM
more than i have to to get the job done.....

it gets the job done, is quiet...AC works like a mofo....but you're right, i really don't look at it the same way as I do the m3....its just not a beauty..

i know some folks are all "hard up" about their e90....not me.....hell dls, i threw 10 pieces of St. Augustine in the back seat....bwaaahahahaa.aaaaaa...

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06-08-2006, 02:28 PM
There's a reason for this.

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geetee
06-08-2006, 09:48 PM
like you did with the e90

Rezzak
06-09-2006, 01:04 AM
Haha I know what they look like. My next door neighbor owns both a Carrera Gt and a 959. He also has about 6 or 7 other Porsches. I love his 930 slant nose and his new 997 GT3 but the 959 is a really outdated looking car. I gave you other examples of outdated machinery. It is not too brawny looking for me it is retarded looking. Other retarded messes of cars are the following: 1. Ferrari Testerossa 2. Lamborghini Countach 3. Delorean 4. Lotus Elan 5. Jaguar xj220. I am not trying to be an [Oops!] I am being honest.

IE Greg
06-09-2006, 01:23 AM
ten years or so ago. I kept her for a short while, then moved on to something a little more racy after I got bored.

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Mark G
06-09-2006, 06:13 PM
Am I missing something? Those havent been released yet, to my knowledge.

geetee
06-09-2006, 06:53 PM
t else the competition puts out. You guys will be in line for the E90.(Once your leases are up)

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06-09-2006, 07:02 PM
FOUR YEARS. That's so pathetic i almost feel sorry for him.

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06-09-2006, 07:50 PM
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too easy to criticize

Caligula66
06-10-2006, 10:53 AM
Exactly. Ironic how all this criticism is coming from the "function over form" crowd.http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y156/dentx/bwa.jpg

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AMG302
06-12-2006, 02:16 AM
The 993TT is my favorite Porsche. Got any more pics? You're right on with the analogy, however I still think the 997 should have been smaller and lower.

jmayzurk
06-12-2006, 02:51 AM
Thanks.

I couldn't agree more about the 997. Definitely moving in the right direction compared to the 996, but the back end is too bloated now...the car looks heavy.

http://www.mayzurk.com/porsche/993tt/pics/997_v_993_4s.jpg

More pics of my 993tt:

http://static.flickr.com/35/96104966_1ef65a98fd.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/67/153883867_42448433b2.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/74/153883901_23c53698e0.jpg

with OE wheels:

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-Jeff

jmayzurk
06-12-2006, 03:02 AM
You don't sit in the 993, you drive it. It's a true sports car.

I love the interior in my M3, and appreciate all of its modern comforts and good ergonomics. But there's clearly a bias toward comfort and luxury, and the car suffers a weight penalty for it.

When I'm driving the 993tt, do I miss the comforts of the M3? Hardly. Even on a drive halfway across the country...

On top of that, my 10-year old Porsche has fewer squeaks and rattles than my four year old M3.

-Jeff

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///Bruce
06-12-2006, 09:32 AM
...about this BMW as well as the Z4 are the "cut lines". It's where they connect one panel to another. If they were to have used the cut lines from either the e36 or e46, I think all of us (or most of us) would be all over them. But, it's how they piece the vehicles together.

For instance, look at the front fender of the new e90. Look where the headlight assembly meets the hood meets the fender. It's just all screwed up. The TRUE lines of the vehicle are just wrong.

PS - I'd love to see TC Kline re-do the carbon fiber panels for the Z4 bowed outward (convex) instead of following Bangles' concave lines. Now THAT would be a good-looking car.

Just my opinion...

BENJMNS
06-12-2006, 10:35 AM
it's def not as "neo-classical" as the E46, but i get the feeling this E92er M is going to look good in its own way even with the odd crease... though I will say that the E46 M3 design is going to be tough to do better.

StoneWalk
06-12-2006, 12:11 PM
Are they "sold out" or are my eyes correct when I see a wide variety of them sitting on showroom floors?

Is it possible that simply producing a small number of cars does not mean they'll automatically "sell out", and that making the car attractive might help?

StoneWalk, Santa Barbara California

AMG302
06-12-2006, 03:17 PM
I can attest to that as well. I was in a friend's '95 993 Carrera a few days ago and that thing is as solid as a rock. Less rattles than my M3 also. The interior serves it's purpose well for a sports car- actually the only thing that I found to be subpar was the sound system.

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AJ KEY
06-17-2006, 11:04 AM
That when some one is successful there are about a gazillion haters trying to cut them down. I don't even think this post was about this guys cars but more about the lack of desirability of the new BMW line up. Why can't guys be more mentally strong and just be glad for the guy if he's doing well enough to pass on his M3 to his kid. I'm sure if you were able to you would do the same. I also think you'd be a little irritated that people would just try and cut you down instead of being glad for you. Gees! A true enthusiasts would jump at the opportunity to own and drive various nice cars is given or having had earned the chance to do so. C'mon guys get over your envy and adopt a more auto enthusiastic per spective. It really is relative anyway. If your a BMW owner you should know that there are others out there saying worse things about you. A Bimmer forum should be the one place that you can escape the negativity, and concentrate on the cars.

Oh and by the way I also think the BMW line up is full of wierd looking less attractive cars. Remember when the E36 M3 hit the street. It was a car design phenominon. I gave birth to the emphisis on side skirts sports mirrors and really exploded the tunning world into what it is today. That's what I call inspiration. That type of good looks is lacking in todays BM's. Mercedes Benz is doing it right, BMW has lost it's touch. You have only to visually compare the line ups by category.
At least in performance and drive the BMW's as a hole continue to make improvements. I just wish they would get back to making drop dead good looking cars. Not cars that have to grow on me.



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06-18-2006, 02:41 PM
Looks very real to me, I love the looks
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AJ KEY
06-19-2006, 02:31 AM
If someone says that they bought a BMW strictly for it's performance it's like buying a Playboy mag for the article's.
Some one who makes that statement, to me is either not very informed when it comes to performance cars or not being truely honest with themselves. Granted you may not be an image junkie, but part of BMW ownership is the reputation of the mark. That includes many things.
Performance form and function design appeal, bang for the buck, gas mileage, maintenance, prestige ect... I also think that a design can be gorgeous and not be flashy E46 M3 is a perfect example. But when you see one go by you are imediatley impressed, and I think that if it had the same stats but when it went by it looked like an AMC pacer you would have a different impression of the car. Good looking and liking it is not a crime. There are some who buy strictly based on performance. But I honestly think no one wants to spend 60K on an ugly car. That's why seeing the finished product is so interesting to us here on this forum.
Does it make me shallow that I'm impressed by an exotic car, it's price or it's performance? I don't think so. Does it make me look jealous and silly if I think that people who them are insecure snobs YES! Take for example a guy like Jay Leno, I really believe that the man likes cars and has earned the ability to own lots of them. I say more power to you Leno. Would I do it if I could maybe not but hey. I think Mark is spot on wih his analysis.

I say envy is empowering, Jealousy is ugly.


AJ

AJ KEY
06-19-2006, 02:51 AM
I like your optimism,
Eventually the car will grow on many of us. Even if not from the first impression. But I don't think all mules are bashed. Remember when the E46 previewed? Almost everybody loved it, and that was after following behind the legendary E36 M3, and even earlier the E36 following the then and still loved E30 M3. Totally different designs, yet all sexy machines in there own right. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.


AJ

AJ KEY
06-19-2006, 03:20 AM
Look what you started,
It's all good though. Healthy debate, and agreeing to disagree. I think we can all agree however that the Bangle era designs are less attractive overall than the last two eras and maybe the most cotroversial visual BMW designs ever.
My take on it is I don't want a Plus $35,000.00 controversy, and even though I'm not in the market for a new M3. I would prefer it if the new M3 were good looking just like all of it's predisessors. The fact that it is an issue affirms that many pre BMW owners bought there cars partly because they loved the look. It also confirms that if the new M3 does not live up to histories M3 rep. Many e46 M3 owners will not trade up. The car will come, and sell, and fade and be replaced. Let's hope the same happens to Mr. Bangle and his current vision and design team.



AJ KEY

Alex
06-27-2006, 04:21 PM
And good luck if you would like to get one in 2007. If you don't like the car, its ok, hate it quietly. No need to go and tell everybody how ugly it is - we do have eyes, and are capable of deciding what we like or don't like for ourselves.

Alex
06-27-2006, 04:25 PM

rpps
06-30-2006, 09:13 AM
previously '00 528i
'03 330ci

now; '06 x3, not that i have to prove myself to you.

geetee
06-30-2006, 10:07 PM
to the look you want and stop complaining about the design.

E60
07-03-2006, 03:09 PM
My question was not directed to you, but if you so inclined to answer, so you think X3 is beautiful car? Really?! More beautiful that 5 or 6?

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DaniCompain
08-03-2006, 11:00 PM
I can't agree with you more- its the way these newer cars are put together that attracts from some of the clean styling. On the whole, the E92 coupe is not a bad looking design. They didn't add those hideous big chrome strips atop the kidneys (E90 sedan and 6er coupe), there's no bangle butt, the tail-lights are reminiscent of an 850 and the proportions are fine.

But, the cut lines, especially on brighter cars, are terrible and disjointed. This can be attributed to the new bumpers which incorporate the grilles as one piece. as such, the cutline for the front hits at an angle at the top of the fender. then the cutline on the rear fender is not in line. And many new cars have those "L" shaped cutlines at the rear that start at the light, extend down, turn 90 degrees and continue horizontally towards the fender.

In the E46, all the cut lines were horizontal and on the same plane. the front bumper cutline matched the rear bumper cutline, and they were connected by the bumper strips alongside the door to add to the length of the car- made it more clean looking than the jagged and incoherent cutlines today. And i don't see how the new hoods, which end above hte grilles and have cutlines right above them, look any more modern or classy than those gorgeous rounded hoods of the 90s incorporating the kidneys...why do away with that?

My old 330- notice how you can virtually connect in a single, straight, horizontal line the front bumper cutline to the rear, no turns or twists.
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The gorgeous one-piece hood. ON the new cars, the cutline runs atop the headlights to the fender- it makes it look like the front piece is going to fall off!

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M3twm
08-27-2006, 01:33 PM
change the car significantly every other generation so you get more people's money....like a revolving door. Each group sits out a generation 5-6 yrs and then you bring that group you upset back only to do the same thing again. Not bad from an approach to squeeze the fruit to get all the juice but also depreciates each generation greatly. What this does not realize is the competition is not sitting still and is more than willing to take the opposite generation off your hands. It continues to amaze me how the weight of the performance cars even Porsche has continued to greatly increase even with the technology to make things out of lighter metals/fibers...they have to put more and more horsepower to cover the weight. Weight is money from any angle, unless you talk about a high production US V8 ( Corvette as an example). The car maker who provides a reliable low weight and likely less expensive product will rule, however, this does not seem to be operative for those large manufactures...BMW, Porsche, Merc. I have a 01 M3 and a 94 911...the best of both worlds (in my opinion) but they seem as a group to be changing their stripes, they surely do not need any more weight.

guitarvenue
08-30-2006, 11:10 AM
the few M3's in Dallas are going for nearly MSRP if not MSRP. I have checked. NO ZHP's Coupes in Dallas on the lots at all. They eyed my car in envy....yes......it is true..2005 330Ci ZHP Mystic Blau Metallic with Black Cow. http://forums1.roadfly.com/preferences/showsigimage.php?img=129329

paule
09-04-2006, 08:26 PM
Me too... I think thats HOT! Does anybody think the hood will be power domed?Paul E
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sayemthree
09-06-2006, 04:30 AM
same lines and chassis design as my (ex) 1973 911S.

pcdoumas
09-08-2006, 02:00 AM
Shows lower front.

Looks very similar to Z4 M.


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