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sayemthree
07-30-2006, 05:42 PM

xlover
08-02-2006, 08:58 PM

sayemthree
08-04-2006, 04:50 AM

Socom
08-07-2006, 04:31 PM
03' ZHP , Sapphire Black, Black Leather, Xenons , Moonroof

sayemthree
08-16-2006, 04:01 AM
can be tracke or autocrossed on weekends....thats why many people buy them. why give a sports sedan 300 HP and only one-wheel-drive.

sayemthree
08-20-2006, 02:33 AM

jim496
08-20-2006, 04:35 PM
With no LSD, the unweighted wheel spins uselessly, preventing the engine power from being transferred to the weighted wheel.

With LSD, the unweighted wheel doesn't do much good because it's unweighted (and it's not generating a lot of tire smoke and tread wear), but at least you can get power to the ground through the weighted wheel.

Jim2005 E500
2004 SL55
2002 745i (retired)
2001 540i 6sp Sport

RonZ
08-21-2006, 04:47 PM

jol
08-22-2006, 07:25 AM
I think he means, was there LSD in the prior models?

Bayerische
08-22-2006, 07:46 AM

Adam Hicks
08-22-2006, 04:22 PM

sayemthree
08-23-2006, 12:53 PM
thats why I prefer sports sedans such as BMW.

pimbeche
08-26-2006, 03:35 AM

geetee
08-26-2006, 06:53 PM

sayemthree
08-27-2006, 01:20 AM

sayemthree
09-19-2006, 10:33 PM

sayemthree
09-19-2006, 10:34 PM
they didnt need is as much as they did nto have 300 hp

528ita
09-27-2006, 11:07 PM
lots of people need it for cold weather handling. it just so happens to be a great way for bmw to justify it for a non M car. i dont know why not for the 335i.1985 528e
312,000 miles
0 to 60 in 6.8 seconds
T3 Super 60 trim, coming soon...

goatboy
09-29-2006, 08:02 AM
of the M-locker differential. The clunks would be hell with an automatic transmission. ("Skip and Muffy" being the typical non-M BMW buyers.)

GILSM3
10-03-2006, 12:04 AM
2007 335i
98 M3 SC
97 911 Carrera 2S(sold)
01 740il(sold)
03 330xi Sport(she's gone!)
01 Excursion LTD(sold)
04 911 GT3
04 Navigator
04 F550 aka Mini me
04 WRX Sti(sold)
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pimbeche
10-03-2006, 02:35 AM

libradragon
10-06-2006, 09:48 PM
Maybe they'll drop a LSD in if they bring back the ZHP... I for one just want functional rear vent windows. Maybe if I keep mentioning it, they'll give me what I want.

pimbeche
10-09-2006, 01:42 AM

geetee
10-14-2006, 01:44 PM
ugh with out that. Youi guys exagerate too much. you are not pro drivers driving across the Canadian tundra.

528ita
10-19-2006, 09:18 PM
if you had ever driven in snow and ice you would see the need. especially with peak torque at only 1300 rpm. STFU already.1985 528e
312,000 miles
0 to 60 in 6.8 seconds
T04E 40 trim, coming soon...

sayemthree
10-23-2006, 12:34 AM
rear functional vents? my e46 does.

The G35 has an LSD - Tony
10-26-2006, 04:09 PM
It also beats out the Audi A4, a car that I beleive has 3 differentials. LSD is only beneficial in shaving 10ths of a second off of a lap time, or hard driving in bad weather.

Tony
10-26-2006, 04:10 PM

Tony
10-26-2006, 04:13 PM
I saw a video of a guy driving a 335 on the track. Guess what? He was having mega fun. Lack of LSD doesn't mean that the car cannot be enjoyed on the track. But reading some posts here you would think otherwise.

B622R
10-30-2006, 10:47 PM
Theory is that tranction control/DSC prevents the one tire spinning problem in snow by applying brake to the spinning tire...which will cause power to be applied to the other side that presumably has more traction. How will it behave on the track - where most would turn traction control off? In the video attached it seems to show the car doing a few power drifts but it also seem to show a one wheel burnout during a launch.






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F69F9nT9Hg4

B622R
10-30-2006, 10:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8n0RpNulZs

This video - wait til the end clearly shows DTC being turned off and a power drift with both wheels spinning - then shows a one wheel burnout coming through a uphill right hand turn...? seems to behave like and LSD in some examples and like a 76 Malibu in the other.

Overall it looks like where there is minimal power induced sliding going on it must behave pretty well given the review and the times.

B622R
10-31-2006, 10:07 AM
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- Audi RS6, 400 PS/ 1815 kg (sport auto 03/01)
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- BMW M3 E36, 321 hp (Autocar magazine 1997)
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- Porche 993 GT3, Walter Roehrl (Car magazine 10/99)
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/00)
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- BMW M Coupe, 321 PS/1445 kg (sport auto 10/98)
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- Mercedes-Benz C55 (sport auto07/2004)
8:22.38 147.617 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R32 GTR (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:23 --- 147.435 km/h -- Aston Martin DB7 GT, 442 PS/1833 kg (sport auto 07/03)
8:23 --- 147.435 km/h -- Porsche Boxster S, 280 PS/1426 kg (sport auto 04/06)
8:23 --- 147.435 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera 4, 300 PS/1466 kg (sport auto 01/02)
8:24 --- 147.143 km/h -- Mercedes SLK 55 AMG, 360PS/1566kg (sport auto 04/05), http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=31462
8:24 --- 147.143 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX STi (sport auto 05/04)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h -- Audi RS4, 375 PS/1675 kg (sport auto 10/00)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h -- Corvette Callaway C12, 400 PS/1564 kg (sport auto 04/99)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h – Maybach 57 S, 612 PS/2835 kg www.autobild.de/test/neuwagen/artikel.php?artikel_id=11912
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h -- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VI, 300 PS/1466 kg (sport auto 11/99)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h -- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VII (sport auto 11/02)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h – Porsche Cayman S, 295 PS/1412 kg (sport auto 11/06), www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=104908
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h – BMW 335i Coupé, 306 PS/1610 kg (sport auto 10/06), www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=101881
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLK 32 AMG, 354 PS/1480 kg (sport auto 05/01)
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h -- Nissan 350Z, 280 PS/1526 kg (sport auto 10/03)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- BMW E49 M5, 400PS/1833 kg (sport auto 03/99)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR, 277 PS
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Porsche 993 Carrera 2, 285 PS/1452 kg (sport auto 01/98)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Porsche Carrera Cabrio (sport auto 04/97)

ephillips
11-01-2006, 11:16 AM
'07 335i
'90 M3 (D/Mod race car w/grenaded S14)

sayemthree
11-15-2006, 02:30 AM
its slower than a 4 ton Maybach?

ephillips
11-15-2006, 07:43 PM
that even without limited slip, the car lapped the Ring slighter faster or just a few seconds slower than some very impressive cars (assuming the information is accurate) -- e39 M5, e46 M3, Cayman, 993, etc. That's particularly remarkable if the 335i was running its medicore OEM runflat tires, because in contrast those other cars came with decent OEM tires. So maybe his point was that in terms of high speed performance, the 335i doesn't suffer a great deal from the lack of limited slip, and that most folks who drive the car on the street or even at HPDEs only think they're hugely disadvantaged without it. It's always easier to blame the equipment. That was my point, anyway.
'07 335i
'90 M3 (D/Mod race car w/grenaded S14)

B622R
11-16-2006, 10:10 PM
the 335 must do a very good job of putting the power down to the street - the power to weight ratio are very similar to its competitors in the same bracket so the LSD must be a non issue on a long winding track where you probably never slow under 40mph...this car really goes between 60 and 120 which played well on this track. I imagine on a tighter slower track LSD would help in delivering power to the track and in using power to correct driver mistakes.

I drove a 335 auto and it felt as fast as my M3 but less edgy - was not able to really put the LSD/non-lsd to the test.

B622R
11-16-2006, 11:29 PM
"Okay, we do have one complaint. The 335i is being sent out into the world with no limited-slip differential, which doesn’t really seem in keeping with the whole 300-hp-and-rear-drive thing. De-energizing the stability control for sport is largely an exercise in futility, as under hard cornering the unloaded inside rear wheel starts to spin and smoke as that sizeable torque peak arrives. And on a related note, BMW is making xDrive four-wheel drive available as an option only on the entry-level 328i coupe; 335i owners will have to battle for winter traction."

So if you want this car...do you wait for a ZHP that may never come?

sayemthree
11-17-2006, 02:56 AM
A 300 hp RWD performance sedan should at LEAST have the LSD as an option. even the lowely, but highly competent, 1991 318is, a modern day 2002 had optional LSD.

sayemthree
11-17-2006, 02:58 AM
is not as important there as it is in slower tight corners.

B622R
11-17-2006, 09:54 AM
if you look on the videos there is one where they take a hard right up hill and you see the inside rear just smoke.

This not a car I would track really - maybe a driver's ed here and there...but I can see the above issue occuring on damp North Carolina uphill roads easily...

If this is going to be my pacifier until the new M3 - I think I will be waiting for some form of ZHP package...

ephillips
11-17-2006, 11:12 AM
I'd prefer to have limited slip than not have it. The diff on my M5 never "clunked" or made any untoward noises. BMW surely is capable of providing a limited slip diff in the 335 that would satisfy its target market. But they've made a business decision not to: I suppose they figure that the open diff should provide enough performance to satisfy 98% of its customers; DSC, all-season (or snow) tires and the availability of AWD should satisfy those concerned about driving in bad weather.

It's hard for me to get worked-up over this. BMW hasn't offered limited slip on non-M models in many years. I suppose if I wanted to auto-cross the 335 on a regular basis, then I'd be bummed it didn't have limited slip, but that's easily changed. On a track, the car's cabilities are far beyond most of ours, even with an open diff. It's not like the open diff is going to seriously hold you back, impede the learning process and add 5 seconds to your lap times. If you're looking to push beyond an HPDE environment, you should be thinking about getting a different car - a 335 is the wrong tool for the job.

'07 335i
'90 M3 (D/Mod race car w/grenaded S14)

sayemthree
11-20-2006, 03:21 AM
new owners happy too. :(

Dave04M3
11-22-2006, 02:30 PM
they want you to get the 911S4. Dave http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i14680_alsig.gif (http://www.imagehosting.com)
2004 M3 Coupe
IR/Blk leather
19"RG4's w 255/35/19 and 285/30/19 Toyo T1R
Mods: SuperSprint Headers/race cats/xpipe w/o resonator,Borla muffler,Shark Race Injector, AFE intake, Euro Rotors, Eibach Pro Kit, Eibach Sways, 4.10 BMW diffy

Dave04M3
11-22-2006, 02:32 PM
LSD now is the GT3 and the Turbo. The Carrera and Carrera S have no LSD option, although it is avail on the euro model. Its a joke...an $85K car and no LSD. Now I know about the P cars weight distribution and such, but still the euro cars can get it but we can't??

The main reason why I wouldn't get a 335i is the lack of LSD. Other than that it will be the best bang for the buck out there.

Dave http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i14680_alsig.gif (http://www.imagehosting.com)
2004 M3 Coupe
IR/Blk leather
19"RG4's w 255/35/19 and 285/30/19 Toyo T1R
Mods: SuperSprint Headers/race cats/xpipe w/o resonator,Borla muffler,Shark Race Injector, AFE intake, Euro Rotors, Eibach Pro Kit, Eibach Sways, 4.10 BMW diffy

Andy
12-03-2006, 02:17 PM
I just got my new 6-sp 335i and I love it. THe power is pretty rediculus, especially for a non M car. Around 2:30am this morning I blasted to just north of 140mph, the car had alot left in it, Id say 170 would be very easy with some different tires and a removed governor.

About the lsd...or should I say the lack of it...I need it! Anything but perfect traction in hard first gear acceleration and its nothing but one tire smoking and the DTC cutting in (unless its swtiched off), but an early upshift to second works well, especially with 300 wFt-lb torque :). Im not planning on auto crosses anytime soon, so not too many complaints. This car is really easy to drift (yea i know, no Lsd to do it properly), breaks away progressivly, and is easy to catch.

A couple of complaints about the car...The seats dont match the performance. BMW still hasent figured out what "turbo Timers" are. The sound system is a bit bulky use. otherwise

I LOVE THIS CAR! highly recommended

B622R
12-07-2006, 09:48 AM

skierman64
12-14-2006, 12:27 AM
Has anyone tried a supposed second mode for the traction control. I read that if you press and hold the DSC off button for 10 seconds after you start the car, but before you put the car in motion, it will enter a alternative DSC mode. Activiation of the mode is indicated by the DSC light either flashing and then extiguishing or just extinguishing. The alternative mode allows for automatic brake application to the spinning wheel, but doesn't reduce the throttle. This seems like a great mode to use in place of the limited slip diff. It would be a great mode for the track.

Someone try this and see if it works.

sayemthree
12-30-2006, 04:06 AM
in the 330i e46.

123BMV
02-05-2007, 07:51 PM
Is this mode for real? Anyone else heard of this?

Kaptain
02-07-2007, 11:07 PM


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