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12-13-2006, 11:54 AM
A little more power
Standard PASM

What else?
Are the brakes different? I know the S calipers are painted red, but its the hardware the same?

Is the price difference justified?

12-13-2006, 12:47 PM
after you add in Xenon's, PASM, the better brakes and wheels. When you add this in the price it makes up for the difference.


12-13-2006, 12:55 PM
Hard to say the price is justified because the 997 is a great car, with the S having a little more greatness. I personally think the base 997 with few or no options is a fantastic car. I drove one prior to ordering and thought the stock suspension was great, the engine was fine, and the brakes more than enough for street use. I went S for the track - to get the bigger brakes, more engine, and the Xenon's standard. I'm in the process of figuring out how to dump the 19" oem wheels and put some proper 18s on...

Grab a brochure or go on line and you'll see exactly what you get in the S package...

12-13-2006, 01:17 PM
are you looking for a track wheel??


12-13-2006, 01:28 PM
Comparison, the price delta is much closer - like $5K. I think the small price delta is more than justified. The base car is great, but the S is special. IMO, the 997 S is the best sports car made right now.(I bought a Cayman S, but if I could have afforded the 997S, I would have bought one)

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12-13-2006, 03:00 PM
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Previous --> 86' 325es, 89' M3, 90' M3, 95' M3, 98' M Roadster, 03' M3
Current --> None.... =(
Future --> 08' M3 deposited

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12-13-2006, 03:08 PM
the base car is nothing to scoff at, but if you can spend a couple of extra buck on the 'S' it is well worth it.

I know it is a great sports car, but it is astonishing how expensive these things get with just a few options.

12-13-2006, 03:26 PM (
2004 M3 Coupe
IR/Blk leather
19"RG4's w 255/35/19 and 285/30/19 Toyo T1R
Mods: SuperSprint Headers/race cats/xpipe w/o resonator,Borla muffler,Shark Race Injector, AFE intake, Euro Rotors, Eibach Pro Kit, Eibach Sways, 4.10 BMW diffy

12-13-2006, 03:51 PM
all that Z06 talk was happening.

12-13-2006, 04:53 PM
A new Porsche purchase can obviously be a very slippery slope.

IMO, the standard 997 with a few inexpensive options (sport wheel, shifter, seats) at $75k is a far better value than a lightly optioned S pushing $90k...many here have close to $75k into their M3s with just wheels/tires, brakes, and suspension. Besides, once you get close to $90k, the $106k GT3 isn't much of a stretch...

12-13-2006, 05:05 PM
I read a few reviews and watched a few video reviews of racers in the 997 and 997S and everyone agrees, 19s are not the right wheel / tire for this car - too stiff on the sidewall. So, all I need to do is figure out how to get some 235/295 18" PS2s for the street and some PSCs or RA1s on track wheels.

12-13-2006, 05:08 PM
My lightly optioned 997s was $77k after discount. Cobalt, sport seats (heated), fire extinguisher (for PCA events), and floor mats is all I got. MSRP was $85k.

Apply that same discount to a base 997 and you might be in the mid $60's and that's a great car deal. Yes, a little more power, brake, and headlight is nice, but not required.

12-13-2006, 07:08 PM
Dave is correct. When you add back the S equipment the real difference is more like 4K. If you think about 30 hp alone for the 4K
vs. 16K for the X5l kit on the Carrera S for less hp difference, that alone makes the difference palatable.

I never test drove the non-S. I figured the car was so much $$, why settle for the small $$ difference. If you can do w/o the bigger red brakes, 4 pipes, bigger wheels, PASM , zenons etc. than the non-S differential is 10K and worth contemplating.

Either car is great. I did not settle. So I'll wait to retire till I am 106.

The darkside is a good place. Come on over.

12-13-2006, 07:29 PM

12-13-2006, 07:34 PM
Gotta have xenons.

12-13-2006, 07:41 PM

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12-13-2006, 08:28 PM
GT3s are not available in 2007 - all gone, same for GT3RS....

12-13-2006, 08:57 PM
Yes, allocations have been allocated and orders have been placed...but only a few have been delivered. Just as there was with the E46 M3, Elise, AM Vantage, and every other highly anticipated new car, regardless of waiting lists there will be GT3's and RS's available in the coming months. Speculators panic, buyers flake, and "pool" cars show up at dealers. Will they be at a premium over MSRP? Time will tell.

And then there's MY2008, orders for which will start in about 7 months.

12-13-2006, 11:37 PM

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12-14-2006, 09:23 AM
Between GT3 and RS America, I'd take the GT3...

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12-14-2006, 11:32 AM
I had to let him off the hook... Besides, it's the Holiday season and all ;-)

12-14-2006, 11:33 AM
Already had an offer from a CT dealership floated out there on a GT3 where one of the first buyers backed out already. There's a general feeling that many that put a small deposit down aren't actually going ahead with the purchase...

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