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Micahel Russell
10-22-1998, 01:41 PM
Just was following the thread ion cloth seats below, and did not realize that in Canada they were an option. Well, after visiting the canadian web siter I am suddenly struck with the thought of inporting a car into the USA from cananda. It seems that if I were to outfit the car I want they way I want, (a 323iu with sport pack 2) it woudl cost me about $39,000 CDN, or about $26,000US which is significantly cheaper than the equivalent US car.<p>Has anybody any experience with this. Is my exchange rate way off? I am missing some imnportant piece of data? I check ther NHTSA web site, it seems fairly straight forward?<p>Any thoughts from others?

igor
10-22-1998, 04:55 PM
If it was really that easy, everyone in a border state would be doing this.<p>Suggest you contact BMW Canada for the "party" line (of course they will dissuade you, but find out the reasons), then call a major dealer in, say, Toronto or Montreal and see what THEY say. Then call a dealer in a border state like Maine or Vermont and find out their rationale. You'll probably lose the factory warranty, the emissions equipment may not match, and your state may not allow you to register the car.<p>: Just was following the thread ion cloth seats below, and did not realize that in Canada they were an option. Well, after visiting the canadian web siter I am suddenly struck with the thought of inporting a car into the USA from cananda. It seems that if I were to outfit the car I want they way I want, (a 323iu with sport pack 2) it woudl cost me about $39,000 CDN, or about $26,000US which is significantly cheaper than the equivalent US car.<p>: Has anybody any experience with this. Is my exchange rate way off? I am missing some imnportant piece of data? I check ther NHTSA web site, it seems fairly straight forward?<p>: Any thoughts from others?<p>

William
10-22-1998, 05:17 PM
In practice, I would think Euro Delivery program is essentially buying the car in Germany, and then improt to US. In this case, BMW helps to streamline the process. If BMW model is a world car (is E46 world car?), it should be able to pass US regulation without problem. Once the car passes custom and is here, I don't see why state won't register it. <br>Actually in Arizona, I was told you don't pay state sales tax for Euro Delivery car since it is legally bought out of state (in Germany).<p>Any expert or lawyer out there for advice?

igor
10-22-1998, 05:28 PM
with Euro delivery, you're buying the car here in the US and just taking delivery (temporarily) in Germany before they ship it to you. It's a car made to US spec specifically for the US market. If you were going to keep the car in Europe or export it somewhere other than the USA, I'm sure the system would handle you differently.<p>: In practice, I would think Euro Delivery program is essentially buying the car in Germany, and then improt to US. In this case, BMW helps to streamline the process. If BMW model is a world car (is E46 world car?), it should be able to pass US regulation without problem. Once the car passes custom and is here, I don't see why state won't register it. <br>: Actually in Arizona, I was told you don't pay state sales tax for Euro Delivery car since it is legally bought out of state (in Germany).<p>: Any expert or lawyer out there for advice? <p>

thomas
10-22-1998, 05:43 PM
Have you figured in the typical sales tax in a Canadian Province?<p>In Ontario you would have to add 15% to the purchase price to cover GST and PST<br>(federal and provincial)<p>thom<p><i>: Just was following the thread ion cloth seats below, and did not realize that in Canada they were an option. Well, after visiting the canadian web siter I am suddenly struck with the thought of inporting a car into the USA from cananda. It seems that if I were to outfit the car I want they way I want, (a 323iu with sport pack 2) it woudl cost me about $39,000 CDN, or about $26,000US which is significantly cheaper than the equivalent US car.<p>: Has anybody any experience with this. Is my exchange rate way off? I am missing some imnportant piece of data? I check ther NHTSA web site, it seems fairly straight forward?<p>: Any thoughts from others?<p></i>

Michael Russell
10-22-1998, 06:01 PM
Well, there is a web site from the NHTSA:<p>http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/can9807.html<p>as for contacting a dealer in a border state, I have already, I live here in Vermont, I just have not asked them the right questions yet. Here is what I am wondering, with NAFTA, this is all supposed to be much easier. As for the tax, you would of course recover it when you brought the car to the USA, and then would just have to pay the normal tax on the car here in the States. I talked to my Uncle today who lives in Canada, and he informs me that in fact the Canadian dealers are discouraged by BMW CA from doing this, but that there is no law against it, and it should be able to be done. As for the waranty, that may be the big difference...<p><i>: If it was really that easy, everyone in a border state would be doing this.<p>: Suggest you contact BMW Canada for the "party" line (of course they will dissuade you, but find out the reasons), then call a major dealer in, say, Toronto or Montreal and see what THEY say. Then call a dealer in a border state like Maine or Vermont and find out their rationale. You'll probably lose the factory warranty, the emissions equipment may not match, and your state may not allow you to register the car.<p>: : Just was following the thread ion cloth seats below, and did not realize that in Canada they were an option. Well, after visiting the canadian web siter I am suddenly struck with the thought of inporting a car into the USA from cananda. It seems that if I were to outfit the car I want they way I want, (a 323iu with sport pack 2) it woudl cost me about $39,000 CDN, or about $26,000US which is significantly cheaper than the equivalent US car.<p>: : Has anybody any experience with this. Is my exchange rate way off? I am missing some imnportant piece of data? I check ther NHTSA web site, it seems fairly straight forward?<p>: : Any thoughts from others?<p></i>

Bruce
10-22-1998, 07:18 PM
why don't you press your (US) dealer and BMW NA into an Individual Program" order for you....BMW is becoming more willing to do this these days<p>Bruce<br>98 M roadster with non standard color combo

Jeff Dinkins
10-22-1998, 07:45 PM
<br>Just curious, Bruce - what kind of premium did you pay to get your custom colors?<p><i>: why don't you press your (US) dealer and BMW NA into an Individual Program" order for you....BMW is becoming more willing to do this these days<p>: Bruce<br>: 98 M roadster with non standard color combo<p></i>

William
10-22-1998, 07:45 PM
What do you mean "recovering sales tax"? Get all of them back from dealership?

Bruce
10-22-1998, 09:11 PM
<i>:Just curious, Bruce - what kind of premium did you pay to get your custom colors?</i><p>i didn't say custom (just BMW didn't list the color comobo i got (Estoril blue with two tone black and grey interior) as a "recommend color combo<p>didn't cost me any extra (unless you count battling the dealer to place to order for a little while- good thing i knew the right names inside the factory :)<p><a href="http://www.ddg.com/z3texas/registry/z3directory.fm$Find?RecNum=2&html=detail.html">Bruce</a><br>98 E36/7 S52US B32 (335/Q6TT/391) <a href="http://www.clifford.com/ig800.html">Clifford IQ-800</a>; <a href="http://www.valentine1.com">Hardwired V1</a>; <a href="http://www2.txcyber.com/~gobuffs/MyM/tint1.jpg">35% tint</a>; <a href="http://www.qualityparts.com/catalog/hardtop/barscrn_sm.jpg">Windscreen</a>; <a href="http://www.qualityparts.com/images/parts/cdchanger_sm.jpg">CD Changer</a>; <a href="http://www.bridgestone-usa.com/products/bss-02pp.htm">Bridgestone</a> Potenza S-02 Pole Position <a href="http://www.tirerack.com/tires/bridgestone/bs_s02_pp.htm">Tires</a> <a href="http://www2.txcyber.com/~gobuffs/Mtires/rear.jpg">(front- 235/45/17, rear 265/40/17)</a>; <a href="http://www.redlineoil.com/wwti.htm">Red Line Water Wetter</a>; <a href="http://www.redlineoil.com/engoil.htm">Red Line Synthetic Motor Oil 15W-50</a>; <a href="http://www2.txcyber.com/~gobuffs/Track/four.jpg">Track Wheels</a>- <a href="http://12.2.156.167/wheelsearch/WheelDisplay.asp?make=BBS&model=RK">BBS RK</a> 17x8 with <a href="http://www.tirerack.com/tires/yokohama/yo_a032r.htm">Yokohama A032R</a> 235/45/17 in front, 17x10 with 255/40/17 in back, front mudflaps; chrome door plungers; chrome handbrake button; chrome headlight knob...Coming Soon: rear mudflaps; Future upgrades: <a href="http://www.redlineoil.com/mtlti.htm">Red Line MT-90</a>; <a href="http://www.redlineoil.com/gearolti.htm">Red Line 75W90 Gear Oil</a><BR><a href="http://www2.txcyber.com/~gobuffs/main.html">My website</a><br>

sk
10-22-1998, 10:58 PM
When you pick a car in Germany, it comes ready for the European market, so you can drive it over there. When you leave it to be shipped to the US, it goes to the factory to be checked up and converted to US specs (emmission equipment), and then is shipped to the dealer after clearing the inspections, customs, and all the song and dance needed.

Michael Russell
10-23-1998, 06:10 AM
When you purchase something in Canada and bring it into the US, you are entitled to recover taxes paid on the item to Canada. Customs generally has the paperwork. Of course you pay duty when you bring it in, but at least you get back the huge tax hit.<p><i>: What do you mean "recovering sales tax"? Get all of them back from dealership? <p></i>

Michael Russell
10-23-1998, 06:15 AM
Well, I did ask my dealer, but he basically blew me off. I kind of got the impression that BMW was not will to do little stuff, but wanted to leave that division to the larger big ticket items. It is not like i am asking a lot here!<p>Then there is of course the rather large issue of the cost savings. I mean a $4000 USD savings is significant. Even if I do have to change the spedometer and that cost something stupid like $1000 it would SEEM that I would still be way ahead. ALTHOUGH it does appear that they do not offer the 3/36,000 free maintenence.<p><i>: :Just curious, Bruce - what kind of premium did you pay to get your custom colors?<p>: i didn't say custom (just BMW didn't list the color comobo i got (Estoril blue with two tone black and grey interior) as a "recommend color combo<p>: didn't cost me any extra (unless you count battling the dealer to place to order for a little while- good thing i knew the right names inside the factory :)<p>: <a href="http://www.ddg.com/z3texas/registry/z3directory.fm$Find?RecNum=2&html=detail.html">Bruce</a><br>: 98 E36/7 S52US B32 (335/Q6TT/391) <a href="http://www.clifford.com/ig800.html">Clifford IQ-800</a>; <a href="http://www.valentine1.com">Hardwired V1</a>; <a href="http://www2.txcyber.com/~gobuffs/MyM/tint1.jpg">35% tint</a>; <a href="http://www.qualityparts.com/catalog/hardtop/barscrn_sm.jpg">Windscreen</a>; <a href="http://www.qualityparts.com/images/parts/cdchanger_sm.jpg">CD Changer</a>; <a href="http://www.bridgestone-usa.com/products/bss-02pp.htm">Bridgestone</a> Potenza S-02 Pole Position <a href="http://www.tirerack.com/tires/bridgestone/bs_s02_pp.htm">Tires</a> <a href="http://www2.txcyber.com/~gobuffs/Mtires/rear.jpg">(front- 235/45/17, rear 265/40/17)</a>; <a href="http://www.redlineoil.com/wwti.htm">Red Line Water Wetter</a>; <a href="http://www.redlineoil.com/engoil.htm">Red Line Synthetic Motor Oil 15W-50</a>; <a href="http://www2.txcyber.com/~gobuffs/Track/four.jpg">Track Wheels</a>- <a href="http://12.2.156.167/wheelsearch/WheelDisplay.asp?make=BBS&model=RK">BBS RK</a> 17x8 with <a href="http://www.tirerack.com/tires/yokohama/yo_a032r.htm">Yokohama A032R</a> 235/45/17 in front, 17x10 with 255/40/17 in back, front mudflaps; chrome door plungers; chrome handbrake button; chrome headlight knob...Coming Soon: rear mudflaps; Future upgrades: <a href="http://www.redlineoil.com/mtlti.htm">Red Line MT-90</a>; <a href="http://www.redlineoil.com/gearolti.htm">Red Line 75W90 Gear Oil</a><BR><a href="http://www2.txcyber.com/~gobuffs/main.html">My website</a><p></i>

Bruce
10-23-1998, 10:16 AM
<i>: Well, I did ask my dealer, but he basically blew me off. I kind of got the impression that BMW was not will to do little stuff, but wanted to leave that division to the larger big ticket items. It is not like i am asking a lot here!<p>: Then there is of course the rather large issue of the cost savings. I mean a $4000 USD savings is significant. Even if I do have to change the spedometer and that cost something stupid like $1000 it would SEEM that I would still be way ahead. ALTHOUGH it does appear that they do not offer the 3/36,000 free maintenence.</i><p>the problem is mostly with your dealer...this is how i understand the ordering system works (at least with Z3s and i would assume it works this way for all BMWs)<p>1. you place order with your dealer for what you want<br>2. dealer sends to either BMW NA or BMW AG (not sure which, BUT it ultimately ends up at BMW AG where they decide if they will manufacture a car to the specifications you ordered or not <br>3. if they decide not to manufacture the order gets sent back to the originating dealer<p>so....all you dealer needs to know is what the order codes are for all features on the car, but down those numbers (they may have to put down some delete numbers) and send it in and lets the gods at BMW AG decide....they have had this program available in europe for years (to an even greater extent- like, for example, somebody sent in the material they wanted their seats to be made out of)<p>if i were you what i would do would be to go back to your dealership and try to talk to 1) the sales manager (or BMW sales manager if they sell other brands), 2) the general manager, or 3) the owner if possbile and explain the situation to them and ask them if they will place the order for you (it doesn't take that much time to place the order, BUT if they do place the order and it doesn't work i would give that dealer your business on the car you do end up getting)<p>hope this helps,<br>Bruce

Bruce
10-23-1998, 10:26 AM
<i>: When you pick a car in Germany, it comes ready for the European market, so you can drive it over there. When you leave it to be shipped to the US, it goes to the factory to be checked up and converted to US specs (emmission equipment), and then is shipped to the dealer after clearing the inspections, customs, and all the song and dance needed.</i><p>so you are trying to tell us that if i take euro delivery of a car, drive it around x amount of days (in a country with less stringent emission laws), drop it off and BMW changes the emission equipment? NOT...you must be crazy...do you know how much more work that would be???? (especially now since on the M52TU motors the cats are integrated into the exhaust manifold)...the only things that are required to be in the car while in europe are a warning triangle and first aid kit...when you drop the car off the things that are done to the car before you see it again are the things that were needed to be there while you were in europe will be taken off (hopefully you put those in your suitcase, and you didn't add ANY aftermarket goodies- like a CD changer, non US in dash radio, strut brace, etc)<p>Bruce

William
10-23-1998, 12:35 PM
so, where can I find the information on all these custom options/colors, and order code? Whithout that, how can tell dealer what I need?

Bruce
10-23-1998, 01:03 PM
<i>: so, where can I find the information on all these custom options/colors, and order code? Whithout that, how can tell dealer what I need?<br></i><p>i knew this was going to come up sooner or later :)<p>1) i would first try calling a dealer that specializes in Euro delivery (Fred Opert Racing- a BMW dealer in NJ that advertises in the roundel comes to mind) for 2 reasons- 1) they should have all the codes and 2) did you ever consider Euro delivery?<p>2) another place to look is <a href="http://members.aol.com/benliaw/official.htm">here</a> and follow the links to each countries web site and try to piece the codes together yourself (they may or may not list them<p>3) check <a href="http://www.kbb.com/cgi-bin/cgi.exe?kbb+zip:10000+nc+gmd:004c">here</a> for the US specific codes (you might have to wait since most of the 99 codes aren't in and i am not sure if you will be able to use E36 codes on the E46)...just to make sure the codes are worldwide codes (which i think they are)<p>that's where i would start...let me know how it turns out<p>Bruce

Robert
10-23-1998, 01:23 PM
What are the benefits of euro delivery? And does anyone know a good website that explains this?

Bruce
10-23-1998, 01:33 PM
<i>: What are the benefits of euro delivery? And does anyone know a good website that explains this?</i><p>go to <a href="http://www.bmwusa.com/showroom/eurodeliv/eurodeliv.html">BMW NA's Euro delivery page</a><p>it lists the benefits...main benefit is the euro delivery prices start at about US invoice (and i have heard some dealers will even discount on that- just a rumor, i have not confirmed) (the 2 dealers that i have heard that about are Fred Opert Racing, and the dealer in Eugene, OR)....so if you were planning a trip to Europe anyway picking up a new BMW might be a good idea<p>the MAJOR downside to euro delivery is the amount of time you have to wait after you drop the car off before it shows up at your dealer (about 6-10 weeks!)...another downside is the car must be paid for 30 days before you take delivery in europe :(<p>so if you plan pickup in europe during a down time in tourism you might get a great deal<p>another option to consider in late 99 is pickup at the US delivery center in Greer, SC (but i don't know if there will be a saving on price for that option)<p>hope this helps,<br>Bruce

Brad D
10-23-1998, 04:34 PM
<br>: : What are the benefits of euro delivery? And does anyone know a good website that explains this?<p>: go to <a href="http://www.bmwusa.com/showroom/eurodeliv/eurodeliv.html">BMW NA's Euro delivery page</a><p>: it lists the benefits...main benefit is the euro delivery prices start at about US invoice (and i have heard some dealers will even discount on that- just a rumor, i have not confirmed) (the 2 dealers that i have heard that about are Fred Opert Racing, and the dealer in Eugene, OR)....so if you were planning a trip to Europe anyway picking up a new BMW might be a good idea<p>: the MAJOR downside to euro delivery is the amount of time you have to wait after you drop the car off before it shows up at your dealer (about 6-10 weeks!)...another downside is the car must be paid for 30 days before you take delivery in europe :(<p>: so if you plan pickup in europe during a down time in tourism you might get a great deal<p>: another option to consider in late 99 is pickup at the US delivery center in Greer, SC (but i don't know if there will be a saving on price for that option)<p>: hope this helps,<br>: Bruce<p>In addition, the warranty starts when you pick up the car in Europe, so when you car arrives in the states you have effectively lost 2-3 months of coverage.<p>Note that the BMWUSA website does not have the upgated Euro Delivery prices for 1999. The prices have gone up for next year, plus some other changes.

Brad D
10-23-1998, 04:36 PM
<br>: When you purchase something in Canada and bring it into the US, you are entitled to recover taxes paid on the item to Canada. Customs generally has the paperwork. Of course you pay duty when you bring it in, but at least you get back the huge tax hit.<p>: : What do you mean "recovering sales tax"? Get all of them back from dealership? <p>I think US duty for this year is 2.7%<br>

Brad D
10-23-1998, 04:40 PM
<br>: : When you pick a car in Germany, it comes ready for the European market, so you can drive it over there. When you leave it to be shipped to the US, it goes to the factory to be checked up and converted to US specs (emmission equipment), and then is shipped to the dealer after clearing the inspections, customs, and all the song and dance needed.<p>: so you are trying to tell us that if i take euro delivery of a car, drive it around x amount of days (in a country with less stringent emission laws), drop it off and BMW changes the emission equipment? NOT...you must be crazy...do you know how much more work that would be???? (especially now since on the M52TU motors the cats are integrated into the exhaust manifold)...the only things that are required to be in the car while in europe are a warning triangle and first aid kit...when you drop the car off the things that are done to the car before you see it again are the things that were needed to be there while you were in europe will be taken off (hopefully you put those in your suitcase, and you didn't add ANY aftermarket goodies- like a CD changer, non US in dash radio, strut brace, etc)<p>: Bruce<p>What other items (other than the triangle and first aid kit) shoule we remember to take before dropping it off in Europe?<p>(Note: the BMW docs also remind you to remove the floormats and take them with you!)<p>Thanks,<br>Brad D<br>bdomini1@san.rr.com

Bruce
10-23-1998, 05:08 PM
a guy on the 5er board installed a in dash CD player when he was over there and it was taken out before shipped to the states...so...anything that is out of the ordinary or anything that you don't want the chance at losing (unless it has to be there for safety reasons) and can be taken out and replaced easily i would say take out (others may differ, but that is just my opinion)<p>Bruce

Brad D
10-23-1998, 05:44 PM
<br>: a guy on the 5er board installed a in dash CD player when he was over there and it was taken out before shipped to the states...so...anything that is out of the ordinary or anything that you don't want the chance at losing (unless it has to be there for safety reasons) and can be taken out and replaced easily i would say take out (others may differ, but that is just my opinion)<p>: Bruce<p>Wow! The guy lost the CD player forever?!?!? I would hope that he bitched and got it back!<p>Thanks,<br>Brad<br>bdomini1@san.rr.com

William
10-28-1998, 01:23 AM
<i>Have you found more info about importing? Please post if any.<br></i>


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