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Mark
04-12-1999, 06:06 PM
After carefully shopping for a Passat optioned out the way I wanted it: six cylinder engine, leather, with an automatic (including the worthless tiptronic feature) I discovered it would be about the same price as a 323i in its standard configuration, so on a hunch I went over to the BMW dealer and test drove the 323i--- and loved it. I assume that the Beamer is just a better car than the VW, so I ordered it. Am I right? I really am not into status shopping so that wasn't an issue for me; in fact I've always been a reverse snob so I'm totally freaked out that I did this. somebody please justify this for me!

your life.
04-12-1999, 06:11 PM
<i>Don't worry about being a reverse snob and then going against your "principles" by buying the beamer. I think the central issue is having fun. And the BMW 323ia will give you loads of it. Congratulations, and welcome to the club!<P><br>Hopefully this major decision in your life will lead to better things now that you've overcome that "what will people think of me?" complex. :-)<p></i>

DrBimmer
04-12-1999, 06:41 PM
<i>: After carefully shopping for a Passat optioned out the way I wanted it: six cylinder engine, leather, with an automatic (including the worthless tiptronic feature) I discovered it would be about the same price as a 323i in its standard configuration, so on a hunch I went over to the BMW dealer and test drove the 323i--- and loved it. I assume that the Beamer is just a better car than the VW, so I ordered it. Am I right? I really am not into status shopping so that wasn't an issue for me; in fact I've always been a reverse snob so I'm totally freaked out that I did this. somebody please justify this for me! <p></i>

Barry
04-12-1999, 09:53 PM
You'll not regret it, trust me. The car/engine is that well put togather and a joy to drive.<p>Barry<p>323i<br>sport+leather+in-dashcd+heated seats

Mofongo
04-12-1999, 10:08 PM
<i>: After carefully shopping for a Passat optioned out the way I wanted it: six cylinder engine, leather, with an automatic (including the worthless tiptronic feature) I discovered it would be about the same price as a 323i in its standard configuration, so on a hunch I went over to the BMW dealer and test drove the 323i--- and loved it. I assume that the Beamer is just a better car than the VW, so I ordered it. Am I right? I really am not into status shopping so that wasn't an issue for me; in fact I've always been a reverse snob so I'm totally freaked out that I did this. somebody please justify this for me! <p></i><p>:)<p>I'm in exactly the same boat as you. I read all the reviews about the new 323i and drooled over it's styling, but never really considered it as a potential buy. BMW's have always been cars that "other people" buy. (I grew up near a rich neighborhood...filled with people who got cars as status symbols more than their appreciation for it as an automobile.) After seeing the base price of the new 323, though, I wandered into a BMW dealership and started to change my opionion very rapidly.<p>I was looking at VW's (New Jetta, Passat) and even the Audi 1.8T, and found that it was difficult to get what I wanted without approaching the 323 in price. The VW GLS-VR6 is a great car, but I'm 6'4" tall and even with the new tilt/telescoping steering wheel, I find it cramped in legroom. Also, it doesn't have traction control...if you get the $25,000 GLX model, only then to you get a very primitive form of it. At that price: Get the BMW!<p>The Audi A4 1.8T is neat, but really, I'd rather have a more powerful engine. Getting the 2.8L V6 rockets the price up $4000. Again, at that price: Get the BMW!<p>The Passat is a cheaper alternative to the A4 and it has more head and shoulder room. This was the only serious competitor on the basis of performance and headroom. But really, by the time you get a V6 Passat with a few options, you are a few $1000 from a comparable 323i. And I just can't see myself driving a Passat...I don't know what it is about the styling but it doesn't do it for me. The handling is also more boat-like than the Jetta, which is already inferior to the BMW.<p>So for just a few extra grand, I get a totally kick-butt car. <p><br>Mofongo<br>

Ausgang
04-13-1999, 07:31 AM
<i>: After carefully shopping for a Passat optioned out the way I wanted it: six cylinder engine, leather, with an automatic (including the worthless tiptronic feature) I discovered it would be about the same price as a 323i in its standard configuration, so on a hunch I went over to the BMW dealer and test drove the 323i--- and loved it. I assume that the Beamer is just a better car than the VW, so I ordered it. Am I right? I really am not into status shopping so that wasn't an issue for me; in fact I've always been a reverse snob so I'm totally freaked out that I did this. somebody please justify this for me! <p></i> but you don't have to take our word for it. Take a look at what Consumer Reports says about your new car. They are VERY conservative about what they say. (unlike automotive press ---who seem to hype everything --- in U.S. anyway.)

Kevin Brown
04-13-1999, 08:19 AM
I put a deposit down on a GLX last year and fully expected to have it in a few weeks. I thought it was as close as I could get to a BMW. Well, VW came up with some interesting reasons why they couldn't build the car they advertised and accepted deposits on. My 98 GLX order was "cancelled at the factory" so I became one of the first in line for the 99 GLX. <p>The story goes on, but I'll spare you VW's "Clintonizing" excuses. When my frustration reached a certain level I asked myself 2 questions:<br> 1) If this is the quality of service this company provides before the sale, how much confidence can I place in what they sell?<p> 2) Which will be worth more in x years, a one-of-a-kind, questionable-quality VW or a BMW?<br> (BTW, the Passat is 40% Audi parts, so you'll eventually pay Audi prices for a VW quality car)<p>You noted that the VW has options/features that you don't want. I agree. What BMW enables you to do what VW refuses: Have your car custom built to your specs. (You can't get a GLX with a stick)<p>BMW also gives you some perks VW doesn't. If you've been reading here a while, you know the dealer can give you the status of the car EVERY step of the way from the Order status in BMW's computer to the estimated time of arrival at the dealer. The info. is so open and available, you can know the ship your car is coming on. VW uses it's "allocation system" where the dealer doesn't have a clue of what s/he's getting until it rolls off the truck.<p>The critcal point for me became this: yes, I'm buying a car, but in a way, I'm investing in the company behind the car. Their corporate philosphy is reflected in their actions and products. Based on their actions, I lost confidence in the company behind the Passat.<p>I discovered that BMW's products (and the corporate philosophy reflected in them) is what I'm looking for in a car. <p>I don't car about the "status" stuff; if I gotta pay the note, I'm gonna get what I want.<p>I put my money down in Feb '99, and now my 328i will be at my dealer by Friday. Hot d*mn! No rumors, no gas tank follies (an inside joke to GLX folks) my car is real and it's almost here!<p>Hope this helps...<p><br><i>: After carefully shopping for a Passat optioned out the way I wanted it: six cylinder engine, leather, with an automatic (including the worthless tiptronic feature) I discovered it would be about the same price as a 323i in its standard configuration, so on a hunch I went over to the BMW dealer and test drove the 323i--- and loved it. I assume that the Beamer is just a better car than the VW, so I ordered it. Am I right? I really am not into status shopping so that wasn't an issue for me; in fact I've always been a reverse snob so I'm totally freaked out that I did this. somebody please justify this for me! <p></i>

Ben N.
04-13-1999, 11:24 AM
<i>: After carefully shopping for a Passat optioned out the way I wanted it: six cylinder engine, leather, with an automatic (including the worthless tiptronic feature) I discovered it would be about the same price as a 323i in its standard configuration, so on a hunch I went over to the BMW dealer and test drove the 323i--- and loved it. I assume that the Beamer is just a better car than the VW, so I ordered it. Am I right? I really am not into status shopping so that wasn't an issue for me; in fact I've always been a reverse snob so I'm totally freaked out that I did this. somebody please justify this for me! <p></i><p>Ok i was looking at the Audi A4 2.8 and didn't know how much a 323i cost at the time. All I was looking at was the A4 untill I test drove the 323i Man I'll tell you. You will not look at another car after driving the BMW 323i. Happy owner of a steel blue 323i. <p><br>Ben

Mark
04-13-1999, 11:50 AM
<i>: : After carefully shopping for a Passat optioned out the way I wanted it: six cylinder engine, leather, with an automatic (including the worthless tiptronic feature) I discovered it would be about the same price as a 323i in its standard configuration, so on a hunch I went over to the BMW dealer and test drove the 323i--- and loved it. I assume that the Beamer is just a better car than the VW, so I ordered it. Am I right? I really am not into status shopping so that wasn't an issue for me; in fact I've always been a reverse snob so I'm totally freaked out that I did this. somebody please justify this for me! <p><br>: Ok i was looking at the Audi A4 2.8 and didn't know how much a 323i cost at the time. All I was looking at was the A4 untill I test drove the 323i Man I'll tell you. You will not look at another car after driving the BMW 323i. Happy owner of a steel blue 323i. <p>: <br>: Ben<p><br>Really? The A4 was next on my mind to eliminate as competition. Exactly what was the difference in your opinion? Did you drive the Quattro version?<br></i>

mbohn
04-13-1999, 01:18 PM
I was in the same boat, I grew up with a father who hated BMW drivers but loved the cars. I test drove every other sedan from $24,000 to $35,000 just to find a car that I liked as much as the BMW 323i and could not find one(besides the 328i of course). So I went with the 323i and love every moment I am in it, even though my father has now written me out of his will. Great choice!

Scott Tominovich
04-13-1999, 01:37 PM
My wife drives a 98 A4 2.8Q Avant. We recently traded in a 97 900 SE Turbo Coupe for the 328i Sedan (sports package/covenience package/5-speed/black-tan int). It is an AWESOME car. However, for the $$$$ the A4 is as good as the BMW. Love em both...I felt that we were nickeled and dimed with the BMW...37K and no mats or alarm system...that is absurd...

Mofongo
04-13-1999, 02:44 PM
<i>: My wife drives a 98 A4 2.8Q Avant. We recently traded in a 97 900 SE Turbo Coupe for the 328i Sedan (sports package/covenience package/5-speed/black-tan int). It is an AWESOME car. However, for the $$$$ the A4 is as good as the BMW. Love em both...I felt that we were nickeled and dimed with the BMW...37K and no mats or alarm system...that is absurd...<p></i><p>Audi's selling point is that you can get a loaded A4 for cheaper than a loaded 3er. I think they're right in this respect. The one thing which irks me about BMW is how many more $1000's you have to spend to get a few options, relative to other cars in the same price range (other than Benz, which is about the same).<p>We can't really blame BMW for this too much, I suppose, since Audi has VW to mass produce 60% of the parts for it, which dramatically reduces the cost adding options.<p>Mofongo

out of his will :) eom
04-13-1999, 04:09 PM
<i>: I was in the same boat, I grew up with a father who hated BMW drivers but loved the cars. I test drove every other sedan from $24,000 to $35,000 just to find a car that I liked as much as the BMW 323i and could not find one(besides the 328i of course). So I went with the 323i and love every moment I am in it, even though my father has now written me out of his will. Great choice!<p></i>

Mark
04-14-1999, 09:14 AM
<i>: My wife drives a 98 A4 2.8Q Avant. We recently traded in a 97 900 SE Turbo Coupe for the 328i Sedan (sports package/covenience package/5-speed/black-tan int). It is an AWESOME car. However, for the $$$$ the A4 is as good as the BMW. Love em both...I felt that we were nickeled and dimed with the BMW...37K and no mats or alarm system...that is absurd...<p>You wouldn't happen to live in the snow belt, would you? I'm a bit concerned with driving the beamer here in the winter. I've seen it suggested by other postings that the 323i with snow tires gives it the ability to go just about anywhere the Quattro can go. Any opinions?<p><br></i>


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