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CK
02-27-2001, 01:22 PM
Alot of ppl are a little discontent after talking to their various dealers and getting the "we will only get X amount of M3's this year, sorry you won't get one" run around. Now for the most part this can be true ala. M5, X5,in the first year, but look how easy it is to get those cars now. I think most of these dealers just want to keep the hype up and demand high so they can lead you on to say that "this masterpiece is just out of your reach, but if you give me 5K i will see what I can do" type of attitude. Its almost like putting glistening food in front of a bunch of starving folks behind a gate(the germans are pretty good at that, whoops, that was a low blow).<p><br>Anyways, I wouldn't sweat over this M3 that much, first of all this car will probably go right into the same predicament you have with M5s and X5's, they are quite readily available, for those really interested. I don't think the demand for them has changed much either. So overall I think with a little patience we can get the M3 we really want, after BMW is done milking the customers. <p>As for this car, I think BMW over-estimated the amount of ppl that would put up with their bloody non-sense, and they figured we would all wait for their precious M3. It seems I find more ppl telling me that they are going to porsche or ferrari, or just some other company that can offer the same qualities as the M3, and with a similar price. More ppl seem to be going elsewhere, than the amount of ppl that say they ordered and such. Granted I will not get the most accurate results, considering the small amount of ppl that I really know, but even I am considering alternative options, and I have had a BMW in the family since I was 8yrs old(prior to that it was all about the merc). It seems if BMW doesn't do anything soon its going to be "all about the merc" or other vehicle again for alot of ppl. The good news for us is that more M3's for us. But that ferrari 550 maranello is looking mighty fine in silver. If I don't get an M3 then I'm gonna get something that will smoke the hell out of it(even if it will cost me 10X the car, muhahahahahaaa). This way you gents don't come around the corner with your pearly whites jutting out of your mouth, while trying to hide your gloating smile.<p>my .02<p>Any thoughts and opinions welcome.<p>-CK

SAFROLE
02-27-2001, 01:34 PM

CK
02-27-2001, 01:42 PM
what makes you think that?<p><i><br> <p></i><br>

DC from Cape Cod
02-27-2001, 01:51 PM
University of Texas at Arlington (NET-UTARLINGTON)<br> Academic Computing Services<br> Arlington, TX 76019-0318<p> Netname: UTARLINGTON<br> Netblock: 129.107.0.0 - 129.107.255.255<p> Coordinator:<br> Caldwell, William (WC59-ARIN) caldwell@UTA.EDU<br> 817-272-3622 (FAX) 817-272-5796<p> Domain System inverse mapping provided by:<p> NS1.UTA.EDU 129.107.1.9<br> NS2.UTA.EDU 129.107.1.2<p> Record last updated on 29-Sep-1998.<br> Database last updated on 27-Feb-2001 07:41:53 EDT.<p><br>

SAFROLE
02-27-2001, 01:54 PM
I traced your location with this program I have, but I was'nt sure if it worked right. Relax, I'm not trying to hunt you down, it's just a cool little program that can trace IP addresses with, but I'm not sure it always works. I guess you're not in Texas then right, or are you?

CK
02-27-2001, 01:54 PM
<i><br>University of Texas at Arlington (NET-UTARLINGTON)<br> Academic Computing Services<br> Arlington, TX 76019-0318<p> Netname: UTARLINGTON<br> Netblock: 129.107.0.0 - 129.107.255.255<p> Coordinator:<br> Caldwell, William (WC59-ARIN) caldwell@UTA.EDU<br> 817-272-3622 (FAX) 817-272-5796<p> Domain System inverse mapping provided by:<p> NS1.UTA.EDU 129.107.1.9<br> NS2.UTA.EDU 129.107.1.2<p> Record last updated on 29-Sep-1998.<br> Database last updated on 27-Feb-2001 07:41:53 EDT.<p><br></i><br>

CK
02-27-2001, 01:56 PM
<i><br>I traced your location with this program I have, but I was'nt sure if it worked right. Relax, I'm not trying to hunt you down, it's just a cool little program that can trace IP addresses with, but I'm not sure it always works. I guess you're not in Texas then right, or are you?<p></i><br>

SAFROLE
02-27-2001, 01:57 PM
<i><br>University of Texas at Arlington (NET-UTARLINGTON)<br> Academic Computing Services<br> Arlington, TX 76019-0318<p> Netname: UTARLINGTON<br> Netblock: 129.107.0.0 - 129.107.255.255<p> Coordinator:<br> Caldwell, William (WC59-ARIN) caldwell@UTA.EDU<br> 817-272-3622 (FAX) 817-272-5796<p> Domain System inverse mapping provided by:<p> NS1.UTA.EDU 129.107.1.9<br> NS2.UTA.EDU 129.107.1.2<p> Record last updated on 29-Sep-1998.<br> Database last updated on 27-Feb-2001 07:41:53 EDT.<p><br></i><br>

SAFROLE
02-27-2001, 01:59 PM

CK
02-27-2001, 02:01 PM
<i><br> <p></i><br>

SAFROLE
02-27-2001, 02:06 PM
It will work for public networks with no problem. As long as the IP that you are attempting to trace will accept "pings", you should have no problem. People that are behind firewalls, use proxy servers, or are within private networks, like AOL, you cant trace because they wont accept "pings". Experiment, have fun! E-mail me if you want the serial # because you can only download a trial version from the site.

DC from Cape Cod
02-27-2001, 02:07 PM

SAFROLE
02-27-2001, 02:16 PM
Does it work for private networks, like AOL and people behind firewalls?

DC from Cape Cod
02-27-2001, 02:17 PM
Not sure.<p>Hey, you are in NJ? I grew up in Summit!Dun & Bradstreet Information Systems (NET-DBISNA)<br> 100 Locust Ave.<br> Berkeley Heights, NJ 07922<br> US<p> Netname: DBISNA<br> Netblock: 159.137.0.0 - 159.137.255.255<p> Coordinator:<br> Dun & Bradstreet InformationServices (ZD19-ARIN) dnsadmin@dnb.com<br> 908.665.6300<p> Domain System inverse mapping provided by:<p> NS0.DNB.COM 159.137.146.251<br> UKHWDMZ01.DBAW.DNB.COM 194.73.86.14<br> USBHDNS2.DNB.COM 204.254.175.251<br> UKHWDMZ02.DBAW.DNB.COM 194.73.86.15<p> Record last updated on 17-Aug-2000.<br> Database last updated on 27-Feb-2001 07:41:53 EDT.<p><p>

Bruce
02-27-2001, 02:27 PM
It's not rocket science guys.<p>If you have a numeric IP use this site: http://whois.arin.net/whois/arinwhois.html<p>If you have an alpha IP use this site: <br>http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois<p>A lot of other things you can do (in addition to the above) here:<br>http://www.samspade.org/<p>

jedinite
02-27-2001, 02:32 PM
And is not subject to the infalibilities of ICMP traffic:<p><A HREF="http://www.arin.net/whois/index.html">www.arin.net</A>.<p>Type in an IP address (like the IP address captured in your post, 129.107.78.73) and get back the appropriate info from the American Registry for Internet Numbers. Maybe not where you're posting from, but it's the info for the network subnet that your traffic is routing through.<p>~jedinite<br>bmw.jedinite.com<br>audi.jedinite.com

SAFROLE
02-27-2001, 02:33 PM
Actually I'm in New York City, but I'm using a proxy server, which is located at the New Jersey address that you traced. So it seems that you're tracer application is functionally equivalent to mine because I cant trace people that are using a proxy server.

jedinite
02-27-2001, 02:40 PM

th0rn
02-27-2001, 03:15 PM
This is probably the best tracing utility Ive seen that you can dld and eval of.<p><i><p>I traced your location with this program I have, but I was'nt sure if it worked right. Relax, I'm not trying to hunt you down, it's just a cool little program that can trace IP addresses with, but I'm not sure it always works. I guess you're not in Texas then right, or are you?<p><br></i><br>


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