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98 Yellow Z3 2.8 owner
03-20-1998, 02:30 AM
Lately I've noticed Miata owners putting up roll over bars and wheels and tires and all kinds of new paint jobs. To these people I say:<br>"RELAX, YOU ARE DRIVING A MAZDA. NEVER WILL YOU HAVE THE SAME FEELING AS WE DO BEHIND THE SEAT OF YOUR CAR, SPECIALLY THOSE OF YOU WHO DRIVE LOWERED VEHICLES MADE BY THE FOLKS WHO MAKE TV'S AND VCR'S FOR CHRIST SAKE."<br>And boy do they stare at my yellow beast!!!!!

the Baba
03-20-1998, 07:06 AM
<i>: Lately I've noticed Miata owners putting up roll over bars and wheels and tires and all kinds of new paint jobs. To these people I say:<br>: "RELAX, YOU ARE DRIVING A MAZDA. NEVER WILL YOU HAVE THE SAME FEELING AS WE DO BEHIND THE SEAT OF YOUR CAR, SPECIALLY THOSE OF YOU WHO DRIVE LOWERED VEHICLES MADE BY THE FOLKS WHO MAKE TV'S AND VCR'S FOR CHRIST SAKE."<br>: And boy do they stare at my yellow beast!!!!!<p></i>

Bryan (EOM)
03-20-1998, 08:35 AM
<i>: Lately I've noticed Miata owners putting up roll over bars and wheels and tires and all kinds of new paint jobs. To these people I say:<br>: "RELAX, YOU ARE DRIVING A MAZDA. NEVER WILL YOU HAVE THE SAME FEELING AS WE DO BEHIND THE SEAT OF YOUR CAR, SPECIALLY THOSE OF YOU WHO DRIVE LOWERED VEHICLES MADE BY THE FOLKS WHO MAKE TV'S AND VCR'S FOR CHRIST SAKE."<br>: And boy do they stare at my yellow beast!!!!!<p></i>

Bob (Yellow Z3 AND Yellow Miata owner)
03-20-1998, 10:10 AM
I owned a yellow Miata before my Z3, and I have to say I had a hell of a good time driving that car. It was a fine piece of machinery. The Z3 is clearly in a different class, but let's give the Miata it's due..<p>: Lately I've noticed Miata owners putting up roll over bars and wheels and tires and all kinds of new paint jobs. To these people I say:<br>: "RELAX, YOU ARE DRIVING A MAZDA. NEVER WILL YOU HAVE THE SAME FEELING AS WE DO BEHIND THE SEAT OF YOUR CAR, SPECIALLY THOSE OF YOU WHO DRIVE LOWERED VEHICLES MADE BY THE FOLKS WHO MAKE TV'S AND VCR'S FOR CHRIST SAKE."<br>: And boy do they stare at my yellow beast!!!!!<p>

Terry
03-20-1998, 10:27 AM
<i>: Lately I've noticed Miata owners putting up roll over bars and wheels and tires and all kinds of new paint jobs. To these people I say:<br>: "RELAX, YOU ARE DRIVING A MAZDA. NEVER WILL YOU HAVE THE SAME FEELING AS WE DO BEHIND THE SEAT OF YOUR CAR, SPECIALLY THOSE OF YOU WHO DRIVE LOWERED VEHICLES MADE BY THE FOLKS WHO MAKE TV'S AND VCR'S FOR CHRIST SAKE."<br>: And boy do they stare at my yellow beast!!!!!<p></i><p>The rumor was that Jap cars were made of old beer cans left by the occupying forces, but I bought one for $1500 bucks in 1971. In the years since I've owned 5 Jap cars or trucks and racked up a total of 625,000 miles. Never did one of these vehicles have to go in for repair and ALL are still on the road and running today. They do what they are designed and intended to do, what more could you ask? My Z3 has been in the shop infinitely more times than all the Jap cars combined and there has not been a single day that I've owned the Z3 that <i>everything</i> worked. The Mazda is targeted for a specific market that you're obviously not a member of, is this what's bothering you?<p>Terry :-)

//Mster
03-20-1998, 10:32 AM
<i>: : Lately I've noticed Miata owners putting up roll over bars and wheels and tires and all kinds of new paint jobs. To these people I say:<br>: : "RELAX, YOU ARE DRIVING A MAZDA. NEVER WILL YOU HAVE THE SAME FEELING AS WE DO BEHIND THE SEAT OF YOUR CAR, SPECIALLY THOSE OF YOU WHO DRIVE LOWERED VEHICLES MADE BY THE FOLKS WHO MAKE TV'S AND VCR'S FOR CHRIST SAKE."<br>: : And boy do they stare at my yellow beast!!!!!<p><br>: The rumor was that Jap cars were made of old beer cans left by the occupying forces, but I bought one for $1500 bucks in 1971. In the years since I've owned 5 Jap cars or trucks and racked up a total of 625,000 miles. Never did one of these vehicles have to go in for repair and ALL are still on the road and running today. They do what they are designed and intended to do, what more could you ask? My Z3 has been in the shop infinitely more times than all the Jap cars combined and there has not been a single day that I've owned the Z3 that everything worked. The Mazda is targeted for a specific market that you're obviously not a member of, is this what's bothering you?<p>: Terry :-)<p>WHO CARES he's funny! 8^] I like 'im.<p><br></i>

Robert Kamen
03-20-1998, 10:41 AM
Maybe, but their wallet is fatter by at least $15,000 against your 2.8. Gotta make you stop and think.<p>Miata's have also had tons of aftermarket goodies available to them for years, and at half the price of BMW stuff. The Z3 may be sexier looking, and the 2.8 may be faster than a Miata (I have a 1.9 that doesn't outperform any Miata), but I don't believe they are better cars. We just paid alot more money for the status of owning a few Roundels.<p>The 'other' Robert<p> Lately I've noticed Miata owners putting up roll over bars and wheels and tires and all kinds of new paint jobs. To these people I say:<br>: "RELAX, YOU ARE DRIVING A MAZDA. NEVER WILL YOU HAVE THE SAME FEELING AS WE DO BEHIND THE SEAT OF YOUR CAR, SPECIALLY THOSE OF YOU WHO DRIVE LOWERED VEHICLES MADE BY THE FOLKS WHO MAKE TV'S AND VCR'S FOR CHRIST SAKE."<br>: And boy do they stare at my yellow beast!!!!!<p></i>

RichC
03-20-1998, 11:46 AM
</i>slightest change:<br><i>: I owned a <b>black</b> Miata before my Z3, and I have to say I had a hell of a good time driving that car. It was a fine piece of machinery. The Z3 is clearly in a different class, but let's give the Miata it's due..</i><p>I'll still take the Miata for small roads and any type of do-it-yourself work. The Z3 is clearly a "sexier" car and the 2.8 and //M editions are uncontrovertably faster and the Rondel <b>is</b> worth something on the open market, however, the Miata is a great car, spend your time beating up on lowered corolas and tricked out SUV's and just wave to anyone else who drives around without a metal roof.<p><br><A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~chic_digger/richcmanx.gif"><IMG SRC="http://members.tripod.com/~chic_digger/richcmanx.gif" ALT="Black Manx" BORDER=0 HEIGHT=150 WIDTH=150 ALIGN=LEFT> </A></FONT><BR CLEAR=ALL><BR><P><BR><P><BR><P><BR><P><BR><P><BR><P><BR><P>

grey
03-20-1998, 12:08 PM
Evidently it didn't occur to you that some readers of this message board might find the term "Jap" offensive.

Terry
03-20-1998, 02:42 PM
<i>: Evidently it didn't occur to you that some readers of this message board might find the term "Jap" offensive. <p></i><p>Far from the truth, unlike yourself I realize that anything at any time in any place is offensive to someone, so I don't worry about it. If we burn, ban or bury every book, every word and every act that could possibly be construed as offensive to any other person at any time in any given circumstance, you tell me what would be left.<br>If one tries hard enough, one can be offended continuously, that's one's right. If you or someone else read something offensive into what I wrote, congratulations, you've reached the nirvana of political correctness but you've missed the message.<br>Perhaps you should defend the ridiculed Mazda owners, and don't neglect the downtrodden that can't afford a yellow Z3, and how about some sympathy for us one-fingered typists that don't care to write "Japanese" repeatedly. You're going to be a busy guy.<p>Terry :-)

Grey
03-20-1998, 03:24 PM
<br>Applying that twisted rationale, one could justify the use of virtually any kind of language on this message board -- a forum normally characterized by reasonably civil discourse. You don't seem to make a distinction between "the nirvana of political correctness," as you put it, and simple good manners. <p>With regard to being a "one-fingered typist," I'd guess thay typing "Japanese" a few times would've been far simpler for you than creating the response to my original observation. <br>

wizzard
03-20-1998, 04:14 PM
PMFJI<p>I have to agree with Terry here. Not becasue I have anything against the Japanese as a whole, nor anyone in particular on the basis of their Japanese (or any other) heritage, background, or up-bringing.<p>However, an example of sensibilities gone too far is the recent attempt by a group of Japanese-Americans to have a vanity plate revoked from an owner becasue of its reference to "Jap" (Jap Car or some such thing). The California DMV was already to comply with the wishes when an observant clerk at the DMV trying to run a search for the car, found several thousand cars with the letters JAP in the plate. You see, in California, with the normal nxxxnnn plate scheme, the string JAP would naturally appear quite often in the random generation of the plate numbers.<p>The DMV ultimately turned down the request on the grounds that it would then open itself up to having to revoke every plate with JAP...and with precidence set, then revoke those with WOP, NIP, and any other 3 letter combination that one might construe as objectionable.<p>I am fully against blatant discrimination based on all the ususal criteria, but think that it becomes very easy to take sensibilities too far in the quest for equality. Besides, if any particular ethnic group wants to be considered equal in the eyes of another, the worse thing they can do (IMHO) it is to highlight their differences while pursuing that equality.<p>Thats just my opinion..I could be wrong<p><B><I>wizzard</I></B><B><BR>4/'98 Z3 2.8l&nbsp; <FONT COLOR="#003300">Dark Green</FONT>/<FONT COLOR="#FFCC99">Beige</FONT>/Black</B><B><BR>No nothing yet...Car is <BLINK>1˝</BLINK> months away from being delivered <FONT COLOR="#3333FF">:^(</FONT></B><p><P><IMG SRC="http://home.san.rr.com/wizzard/Z3Plate2.GIF" NOSAVE><p><p><br><i>: <br>: Applying that twisted rationale, one could justify the use of virtually any kind of language on this message board -- a forum normally characterized by reasonably civil discourse. You don't seem to make a distinction between "the nirvana of political correctness," as you put it, and simple good manners. <p>: With regard to being a "one-fingered typist," I'd guess thay typing "Japanese" a few times would've been far simpler for you than creating the response to my original observation. <p></i>

mike
03-20-1998, 04:44 PM
<i>: Lately I've noticed Miata owners putting up roll over bars and wheels and tires and all kinds of new paint jobs. To these people I say:<br>: "RELAX, YOU ARE DRIVING A MAZDA. NEVER WILL YOU HAVE THE SAME FEELING AS WE DO BEHIND THE SEAT OF YOUR CAR, SPECIALLY THOSE OF YOU WHO DRIVE LOWERED VEHICLES MADE BY THE FOLKS WHO MAKE TV'S AND VCR'S FOR CHRIST SAKE."<br>: And boy do they stare at my yellow beast!!!!!<p></i>We make some of the best cars on the road, including an all-aluminum sports car that is considered one of the best handling cars available. However, we don't make a convertible...YET. I like my Z3 better than the Miatas I drove because it feels tighter, is way more comfortable, and has that German car panache that NO Japanese mfr has found yet...no matter how may F1 or CART races we win!!!

Grey
03-20-1998, 05:12 PM
I agree with you that political correctness certainly can (and often is) carried to ridiculous lengths. Your DMV story is an excecllent example.<p>However, Terry's basic message seems to be that since somebody, somewhere, will take offense at just about anything we say, then there's no reason to exercise any thoughtfulness at all in the words we choose. That doesn't seem to be the position you're taking. In any event, I think we've about worn this one out, as they say. Let's drive! <p> <p>

wizzard
03-20-1998, 07:38 PM
On the contrary, I agree with his position and your interpretation of it. <p>There is no place for discrimination...whereas, someone is denyed certain rights or has crimes commited against them because of their ethnicity (amoung other things).<p>Nicety and thoughtfullness are not rights nor is the lack thereof a crime against anyone. Not that I am a thoughtless person in may words or actions toward others...but I certainly refuse to walk on egg shells when interacting with others because I might offend them is some way with what I say or do.<p>Referring to "Jap" cars is neither a crime, nor does it infringe on anyones rights. It may be considered by some to be offensive, derogitory, shocking, or just plain not PC...but as far as I'm concerned, political correctness is way over rated and a little non-PC is good for society...kinda keeps things centered.<p><B><I>wizzard</I></B><B><BR>4/'98 Z3 2.8l Kraut car &nbsp; <FONT COLOR="#003300">Dark Green</FONT>/<FONT COLOR="#FFCC99">Beige</FONT>/Black</B><B><BR>No nothing yet...Car is <BLINK>1˝</BLINK> months away from being delivered <FONT COLOR="#3333FF">:^(</FONT></B><p><P><IMG SRC="http://home.san.rr.com/wizzard/Z3Plate2.GIF" NOSAVE><p><p><i>: I agree with you that political correctness certainly can (and often is) carried to ridiculous lengths. Your DMV story is an excecllent example.<p>: However, Terry's basic message seems to be that since somebody, somewhere, will take offense at just about anything we say, then there's no reason to exercise any thoughtfulness at all in the words we choose. That doesn't seem to be the position you're taking. In any event, I think we've about worn this one out, as they say. Let's drive! <p>: <p></i>

Keith F
03-20-1998, 08:41 PM
They're way too bland, <b>including</b> the NSX. My CRX Si is on of the most fun cars ever built. Cheap and reliable, too. I love working on it (on the rare occasion that I need too) because from the view of an engineer, is is a <b>work of art</b> But, there is one thing that Honda must understand. To be a true enthusiast's machine, a car must have soul. Y'all have no idea how much I wish Honda had that elusive quality. BMW has it, Porsche has it, Ferrari has it. Even the Corvette has it to a lesser extent. It's what ignites that passion that inspires people to put up with BMW dealerships, high cost, and annoying problems galore, with a huge grin on their faces. It inspires pilgramages to the birthplace of our babies.<p>I know I'm preaching to the choir, but I had to let it out.<p><b><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE="3"><FONT COLOR="#000000">K</FONT><FONT COLOR="#151515">e</FONT><FONT COLOR="#2A2A2A">i</FONT><FONT COLOR="#3F3F3F">t</FONT><FONT COLOR="#545454">h</FONT><FONT COLOR="#696969"> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#7E7E7E">F</FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE="3"><FONT COLOR="#7F7F7F"> '</FONT><FONT COLOR="#666666">9</FONT><FONT COLOR="#4D4D4D">6</FONT><FONT COLOR="#343434"> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#1B1B1B">Z</FONT><FONT COLOR="#020202">3</FONT></FONT></FONT> <FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE="3"><FONT COLOR="#4F95FD">/</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE="3"><FONT COLOR="#490587">/</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE="3"><FONT COLOR="#FF0000">/</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE="3"><FONT COLOR="#BFBFBF">M</FONT><FONT COLOR="#BFBFBF">4</FONT><FONT COLOR="#BFBFBF">4</FONT></FONT></FONT> <FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE="3"><FONT COLOR="#000000">B</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0D0C08">l</FONT><FONT COLOR="#1A1810">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#272418">c</FONT><FONT COLOR="#343020">k</FONT><FONT COLOR="#413C28"> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#4E4830">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#5B5438">n</FONT><FONT COLOR="#686040">d</FONT><FONT COLOR="#756C48"> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#827850">B</FONT><FONT COLOR="#8F8458">e</FONT><FONT COLOR="#9C9060">i</FONT><FONT COLOR="#A99C68">g</FONT><FONT COLOR="#B6A870">e</FONT></FONT></FONT></b>

the Baba
03-20-1998, 09:42 PM
<i>: Evidently it didn't occur to you that some readers of this message board might find the term "Jap" offensive. <p></i><br>...<B>Mick</B>/<B>Heb</B> married to a <B>Limey</B>/<B>J.A.P.</B>, that drives a <B>Kraut</B>/<B>Yank</B> car, loves <B>Tex</B>/<B>Mex</B> grub, and <B>Okie</B>/<B>'Neck</B> music, I feel no no guilt in refering to my wife's <B>Jap</B> Integra!! But you, I've had enough of!!!! Please go back to the P.C. board and hang w/ your monotone <B>Person</B>/<B>People</B>!!! <p><B><FONT FACE="Comic Sans MS"><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT COLOR="#5A00B5">t</FONT><FONT COLOR="#5D00B2">h</FONT><FONT COLOR="#6000AF">e</FONT><FONT COLOR="#6300AC"> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#6600A9">(</FONT><FONT COLOR="#6900A6">"</FONT><FONT COLOR="#6C00A3">D</FONT><FONT COLOR="#6F00A0">o</FONT><FONT COLOR="#72009D">n</FONT><FONT COLOR="#75009A">'</FONT><FONT COLOR="#780097">t</FONT><FONT COLOR="#7B0094"> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#7E0091">n</FONT><FONT COLOR="#81008E">e</FONT><FONT COLOR="#84008B">e</FONT><FONT COLOR="#870088">d</FONT><FONT COLOR="#8A0085"> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#8D0082">n</FONT><FONT COLOR="#90007F">o</FONT><FONT COLOR="#93007C"> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#960079">s</FONT><FONT COLOR="#990076">t</FONT><FONT COLOR="#9C0073">i</FONT><FONT COLOR="#9F0070">n</FONT><FONT COLOR="#A2006D">k</FONT><FONT COLOR="#A5006A">i</FONT><FONT COLOR="#A80067">n</FONT><FONT COLOR="#AB0064">'</FONT><FONT COLOR="#AE0061"> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#B1005E">P</FONT><FONT COLOR="#B4005B">.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#B70058">C</FONT><FONT COLOR="#BA0055">.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#BD0052">'</FONT><FONT COLOR="#C0004F">n</FONT><FONT COLOR="#C3004C">e</FONT><FONT COLOR="#C60049">s</FONT><FONT COLOR="#C90046">s</FONT><FONT COLOR="#CC0043">!</FONT><FONT COLOR="#CF0040">!</FONT><FONT COLOR="#D2003D">!</FONT><FONT COLOR="#D5003A">)</FONT><FONT COLOR="#D80037"> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#DB0034">B</FONT><FONT COLOR="#DE0031">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#E1002E">b</FONT><FONT COLOR="#E4002B">a</FONT></FONT></FONT><br>'97 Z3 2.8, <FONT COLOR=#C0C0C0>Arctic Silver</FONT>, Black x3, 17’s, CD, <I><FONT COLOR=#0000FF>H</FONT><FONT COLOR=#4C004C>M</FONT><FONT COLOR=#FF0000>S</FONT></I> ‘bar and Windscreen, Modified Mike K. Exhaust System: Borla Turbo Muffler & Inter-Cooled Tips, <FONT COLOR=#144C14>DINAN stuff</FONT>, V-1, K&S "Z"ube®™, etc. Powered by SHINER’S</FONT> </B><br>

Greg in Sydney
03-22-1998, 12:35 AM
;-)<p>Greg


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