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//Mster
03-20-1998, 10:08 AM
Now that BMW has decided the flat repair kit does not work, they should offer to correct the problem the right way. To put a bandaid on the fix is lame. I live in Arizona where we have vast distances with no cellular service and nothing in walking distance. Are they ready to fight court battles where someone is left in the 115 degree heat for hours? They should retro fit all the M Roadsters with run flat tires and pressure sensing indicators. Or a donut and a trunk lid rack for bad tire.<br> I had no intentions of carrying the flat fix kit (gunk in the tire sucks). I always carry a professional self-Vulcanizing tire repair kit (plugs)and mini tire pump. This is a great way to go, five years and never failed yet. But it still does not address the blow out. <br> Does anyone have information on the effects of a blow out to run flat tires?<br> What size is the 2.8 with 17" wheels, spare anyway? thanks.<p><br>//Mster Cosmos/Blk/Imola+Blk/Jinx/Maybe 8^]<br>

Karl Seeger
03-20-1998, 10:20 AM
The spare tire in all(?) Z3's is the same HEIGHT as the stock tires. The WIDTH is another story. It is for EMERGENCYS ONLY so we drive very slow with it on (35 or <).<p>By the way, there is a way to check the spare tire pressure with out removing it! Check it! No air=no spare!<p>Also I have noticed that the spare is a good collection spot for dirt and rocks. Every once in awile take it out and clean it. Besides, getting the spare out is an "exercise" best learned at home, not on the side of the road!<p>-Karl

//Mster
03-20-1998, 10:29 AM
Does the M come with a jack? I think I heard the answer was no. You cannot fix a flat with the best plug kit, if you cannot see the hole. I am starting to think 2.8 for $1,200 over invoice is the way to go.<p><p><p><br><i>: Now that BMW has decided the flat repair kit does not work, they should offer to correct the problem the right way. To put a bandaid on the fix is lame. I live in Arizona where we have vast distances with no cellular service and nothing in walking distance. Are they ready to fight court battles where someone is left in the 115 degree heat for hours? They should retro fit all the M Roadsters with run flat tires and pressure sensing indicators. Or a donut and a trunk lid rack for bad tire.<br>: I had no intentions of carrying the flat fix kit (gunk in the tire sucks). I always carry a professional self-Vulcanizing tire repair kit (plugs)and mini tire pump. This is a great way to go, five years and never failed yet. But it still does not address the blow out. <br>: Does anyone have information on the effects of a blow out to run flat tires?<br>: What size is the 2.8 with 17" wheels, spare anyway? thanks.<p>: <br>: //Mster Cosmos/Blk/Imola+Blk/Jinx/Maybe 8^]<p></i>

Gary K
03-20-1998, 12:06 PM
Karl,<p>Yes, to check the air pressure on the spare, look under the rear of the car where the spare protective housing is. You will see a valve stem sticking out of the plastic housing. It is connected to the tire inside with a plastic hose. Makes checking pressure VERY easy. These BMW engineers think of everything!<p><br>: The spare tire in all(?) Z3's is the same HEIGHT as the stock tires. The WIDTH is another story. It is for EMERGENCYS ONLY so we drive very slow with it on (35 or <).<p>: By the way, there is a way to check the spare tire pressure with out removing it! Check it! No air=no spare!<p>: Also I have noticed that the spare is a good collection spot for dirt and rocks. Every once in awile take it out and clean it. Besides, getting the spare out is an "exercise" best learned at home, not on the side of the road!<p>: -Karl<p>

Gary K
03-20-1998, 12:06 PM
Karl,<p>Yes, to check the air pressure on the spare, look under the rear of the car where the spare protective housing is. You will see a valve stem sticking out of the plastic housing. It is connected to the tire inside with a plastic hose. Makes checking pressure VERY easy. These BMW engineers think of everything!<p><br>: The spare tire in all(?) Z3's is the same HEIGHT as the stock tires. The WIDTH is another story. It is for EMERGENCYS ONLY so we drive very slow with it on (35 or <).<p>: By the way, there is a way to check the spare tire pressure with out removing it! Check it! No air=no spare!<p>: Also I have noticed that the spare is a good collection spot for dirt and rocks. Every once in awile take it out and clean it. Besides, getting the spare out is an "exercise" best learned at home, not on the side of the road!<p>: -Karl<p>

Gary K
03-20-1998, 12:07 PM
<br>: Karl,<p>: Yes, to check the air pressure on the spare, look under the rear of the car where the spare protective housing is. You will see a valve stem sticking out of the plastic housing. It is connected to the tire inside with a plastic hose. Makes checking pressure VERY easy. These BMW engineers think of everything!<p>: <br>: : The spare tire in all(?) Z3's is the same HEIGHT as the stock tires. The WIDTH is another story. It is for EMERGENCYS ONLY so we drive very slow with it on (35 or <).<p>: : By the way, there is a way to check the spare tire pressure with out removing it! Check it! No air=no spare!<p>: : Also I have noticed that the spare is a good collection spot for dirt and rocks. Every once in awile take it out and clean it. Besides, getting the spare out is an "exercise" best learned at home, not on the side of the road!<p>: : -Karl<p>

Robert
03-20-1998, 12:36 PM
<font color=gray>Now that BMW has decided the flat repair kit does not work, they should offer to correct the problem the right way. To put a bandaid on the fix is lame. I live in Arizona where we have vast distances with no cellular service and nothing in walking distance. Are they ready to fight court battles where someone is left in the 115 degree heat for hours? They should retro fit all the M Roadsters with run flat tires and pressure sensing indicators. Or a donut and a trunk lid rack for bad tire.<br>: I had no intentions of carrying the flat fix kit (gunk in the tire sucks). I always carry a professional self-Vulcanizing tire repair kit (plugs)and mini tire pump. This is a great way to go, five years and never failed yet. But it still does not address the blow out. <br>: Does anyone have information on the effects of a blow out to run flat tires?<br>: What size is the 2.8 with 17" wheels, spare anyway? thanks.<p>: <br>: //Mster Cosmos/Blk/Imola+Blk/Jinx/Maybe 8^]</font><p>What would it take ($) to put run flat tires on the MZ3. I assume you need some kind of pressure sensor of something, anyone got a ballpark cost?

Robert
03-20-1998, 12:44 PM
<font color=gray>Now that BMW has decided the flat repair kit does not work, they should offer to correct the problem the right way. To put a bandaid on the fix is lame. I live in Arizona where we have vast distances with no cellular service and nothing in walking distance. Are they ready to fight court battles where someone is left in the 115 degree heat for hours? They should retro fit all the M Roadsters with run flat tires and pressure sensing indicators. Or a donut and a trunk lid rack for bad tire.<br>: : I had no intentions of carrying the flat fix kit (gunk in the tire sucks). I always carry a professional self-Vulcanizing tire repair kit (plugs)and mini tire pump. This is a great way to go, five years and never failed yet. But it still does not address the blow out. <br>: : Does anyone have information on the effects of a blow out to run flat tires?<br>: : What size is the 2.8 with 17" wheels, spare anyway? thanks.<p>: : <br>: : //Mster Cosmos/Blk/Imola+Blk/Jinx/Maybe 8^]</font><p>I just read <a href="http://www.goodyear.com">Goodyears web page</a> and they say their going to introduce run flat tires for just about any car later this year. With this news I'm just fine with the lack of spare tire. When the tires on the MZ3 wear out (which should be fairly quickly if you know what I mean), I'll get run flat tires.<p>It was also news to me that corvette doesn't have a spare tire or a jack either. (Goodyear said that)

wizzard
03-20-1998, 01:10 PM
I haven't checked out their page yet, but they have been running commercials for a while.<p>The caveat that have for the run flat tires (in small print) is that a tire monitor system is "required". I don't think that even the MZ3 has a tire monitor system (just how does the MZ3 system know when to engage...manual, monitor system with no indicator?).<p><B><I>wizzard</I></B><B><BR>4/'98 Z3 2.8l&nbsp; <FONT COLOR="#003300">Dark Green</FONT>/<FONT COLOR="#FFCC99">Beige</FONT>/Black</B><B><BR>No nothing yet...Car is <BLINK>1</BLINK> months away from being delivered <FONT COLOR="#3333FF">:^(</FONT></B><p><P><IMG SRC="http://home.san.rr.com/wizzard/Z3Plate2.GIF" NOSAVE><p><p><i>: <font color=gray>Now that BMW has decided the flat repair kit does not work, they should offer to correct the problem the right way. To put a bandaid on the fix is lame. I live in Arizona where we have vast distances with no cellular service and nothing in walking distance. Are they ready to fight court battles where someone is left in the 115 degree heat for hours? They should retro fit all the M Roadsters with run flat tires and pressure sensing indicators. Or a donut and a trunk lid rack for bad tire.<br>: : : I had no intentions of carrying the flat fix kit (gunk in the tire sucks). I always carry a professional self-Vulcanizing tire repair kit (plugs)and mini tire pump. This is a great way to go, five years and never failed yet. But it still does not address the blow out. <br>: : : Does anyone have information on the effects of a blow out to run flat tires?<br>: : : What size is the 2.8 with 17" wheels, spare anyway? thanks.<p>: : : <br>: : : //Mster Cosmos/Blk/Imola+Blk/Jinx/Maybe 8^]</font><p>: I just read <a href="http://www.goodyear.com">Goodyears web page</a> and they say their going to introduce run flat tires for just about any car later this year. With this news I'm just fine with the lack of spare tire. When the tires on the MZ3 wear out (which should be fairly quickly if you know what I mean), I'll get run flat tires.<p>: It was also news to me that corvette doesn't have a spare tire or a jack either. (Goodyear said that)<p></i>

Robert
03-20-1998, 02:31 PM
<font color=gray>I haven't checked out their page yet, but they have been running commercials for a while.<p>The caveat that have for the run flat tires (in small print) is that a tire monitor system is "required". I don't think that even the MZ3 has a tire monitor system (just how does the MZ3 system know when to engage...manual, monitor system with no indicator?).</font><p>Read that <a href="http://www.goodyear.com/nat/run_flat/index.html">webpage</a>, goodyear is creating a "affordable low-pressure sensor system that can be easily installed on any vehicle". Now lets just hope goodyears word is better than BMWs.

wizzard
03-20-1998, 06:16 PM
<i>: <font color=gray>I haven't checked out their page yet, but they have been running commercials for a while.<p>: The caveat that have for the run flat tires (in small print) is that a tire monitor system is "required". I don't think that even the MZ3 has a tire monitor system (just how does the MZ3 system know when to engage...manual, monitor system with no indicator?).</font><p>: Read that <a href="http://www.goodyear.com/nat/run_flat/index.html">webpage</a>, goodyear is creating a "affordable low-pressure sensor system that can be easily installed on any vehicle". Now lets just hope goodyears word is better than BMWs.<p></i>

Keith F
03-20-1998, 08:19 PM
Sounds like you too have been through a dougnut installation. Not having a spare at all in the <b><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE="3" COLOR="#4F95FD">/</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE="3" COLOR="#490587">/</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial" sIZE="3" COLOR="#FF0000">/</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE="3" COLOR="#BFBFBF">M</FONT></b> would be a bit unnerving. But your point got me thinking about my flat tire experience. That spare is only good enough to get you off the interstate, or in my case 10 or 15 miles back to my other car. My hole was not repairable, and I could have been stranded for days if I was far from home. I live in a city of 200,000 and still a replacement had to be ordered. I can't see much difference between having the Z3 dougnut and no having a spare at all.<p><p><b><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE="3"><FONT COLOR="#000000">K</FONT><FONT COLOR="#151515">e</FONT><FONT COLOR="#2A2A2A">i</FONT><FONT COLOR="#3F3F3F">t</FONT><FONT COLOR="#545454">h</FONT><FONT COLOR="#696969"> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#7E7E7E">F</FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE="3"><FONT COLOR="#7F7F7F"> '</FONT><FONT COLOR="#666666">9</FONT><FONT COLOR="#4D4D4D">6</FONT><FONT COLOR="#343434"> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#1B1B1B">Z</FONT><FONT COLOR="#020202">3</FONT></FONT></FONT> <FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE="3"><FONT COLOR="#4F95FD">/</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE="3"><FONT COLOR="#490587">/</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE="3"><FONT COLOR="#FF0000">/</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE="3"><FONT COLOR="#BFBFBF">M</FONT><FONT COLOR="#BFBFBF">4</FONT><FONT COLOR="#BFBFBF">4</FONT></FONT></FONT> <FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE="3"><FONT COLOR="#000000">B</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0D0C08">l</FONT><FONT COLOR="#1A1810">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#272418">c</FONT><FONT COLOR="#343020">k</FONT><FONT COLOR="#413C28"> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#4E4830">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#5B5438">n</FONT><FONT COLOR="#686040">d</FONT><FONT COLOR="#756C48"> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#827850">B</FONT><FONT COLOR="#8F8458">e</FONT><FONT COLOR="#9C9060">i</FONT><FONT COLOR="#A99C68">g</FONT><FONT COLOR="#B6A870">e</FONT></FONT></FONT></b><br>

the Baba
03-20-1998, 09:09 PM
<i>: Does the M come with a jack? I think I heard the answer was no. You cannot fix a flat with the best plug kit, if you cannot see the hole. I am starting to think 2.8 for $1,200 over invoice is the way to go.<p><p>: <br>: : Now that BMW has decided the flat repair kit does not work, they should offer to correct the problem the right way. To put a bandaid on the fix is lame. I live in Arizona where we have vast distances with no cellular service and nothing in walking distance. Are they ready to fight court battles where someone is left in the 115 degree heat for hours? They should retro fit all the M Roadsters with run flat tires and pressure sensing indicators. Or a donut and a trunk lid rack for bad tire.<br>: : I had no intentions of carrying the flat fix kit (gunk in the tire sucks). I always carry a professional self-Vulcanizing tire repair kit (plugs)and mini tire pump. This is a great way to go, five years and never failed yet. But it still does not address the blow out. <br>: : Does anyone have information on the effects of a blow out to run flat tires?<br>: : What size is the 2.8 with 17" wheels, spare anyway? thanks.<p>: : <br>: : //Mster Cosmos/Blk/Imola+Blk/Jinx/Maybe 8^]<p></i>

Tony M
03-23-1998, 10:47 AM
I recently had a flat in a not so good area of Chicago and was forced to change to the spare (after figuring out how to get the damn thing out) (was broken) and drive the car for 30 miles at about 50 mph. It worked fine, even on the worst expressway in Chicago. So it can be done for longer periods at higher speeds (although probably not too safe) I do want to ad d that I really liked the Jack and slots for lifting the car. I think BMW did a good job designing it. Now all they need is a place to store the damaged wheel (as said before).<br>


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