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Robert
03-25-1998, 11:34 AM
<font face=arial>A few of us were chatting on <a href="http://www.mcs.net/~carter/roadster/mIRC/">IRC</a> last night. For awhile we were discussing "rolls and responsibilities" that should be in place for a 30 car convoy <a href="http://www.ddg.com/z3texas/events/980328/">like the one that should take place this weekend</a>. I'm looking for advice and/or suggestions from those that have some experience. We ending up semi-joking about it and came up with Star-Trek names for each position so I'll continue the pun here but what I'm really interested in discussing is the specific content (not the joke/pun itself). Also realize that one person can (and probably will) fill more than one roll.<p><table border=1 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=0><tr><th>Name</th><th>Position</th><th>Responsibility</th></tr><tr><td align=center>Captain</td><td align=center>Near the Front</td><td>This is the guy in charge of making decisions and keeping the convoy <u>on schedule</u>. While everyone else is <a href="http://www.mcs.net/~carter/z3reunion/fri08.jpg">having a good time</a> this is the guy cracking the whip. Whenever the convoy stops (<a href="http://www.mz3.net/pictures/reunion/meeting_in_nashville_2.jpg">meeting points</a>, <a href="http://www.mz3.net/pictures/reunion/convoy_7.jpg">gas</a>, <a href="http://www.mz3.net/pictures/reunion/convoy_3.jpg">bathroom breaks</a>, etc) this person will be a very busy.</td></tr><tr><td align=center>Communications Officer</td><td align=center>Middle Car</td><td>Now that our convoys will be equipped with <a href="http://www.talkabout.com/">two way radios</a>, we should establish someone in charge of keeping everyone informed. With 30 cars we might stretch the convoy out beyond the range of the radios. To maximize the communications range the middle car should be the most capable of transmitting information to all members of the convoy. This person also needs to somehow communicate with the non-radioed cars (any suggestions)</td></tr><tr><td align=center>Navigation</td><td align=center>Near the front</td><td>This is the one in charge of making sure we don't get lost. They should <a href="http://www.ddg.com/z3texas/events/980328/directions.html">know the route</a> and be able to communicate navigation information to everyone else. I learned at <a href="http://www.mcs.net/~carter/z3reunion/">last years reunion</a> that the a passenger is more suited for this role than a driver. especially on longer drives were more navigation is needed.</td></tr><tr><td align=center>Security Officer</td><td align=center>Lead Car</td><td>The guy with the <a href="http://www.valentine1.com/">radar detector</a>. As a rule Z3 convoys really can't get away with speeding (okay maybe a little over). However I've learned that a Z3 convoy attracts a lot of attention, and even if the lead car is going the speed limit the last car sometimes has to go well over the limit to catch up. Having knowledge of where the police are never hurts.</td></tr><tr><td align=center>Number One</td><td align=center>Last Car</td><td>This person might be called upon to "lead the away team". With this many cars it's possible for something to happen and the convoy to get split up. Last year this happened to a <a href="http://www.mz3.net/pictures/reunion/where_did_they_go_2.jpg">few of us</a>, and we had to rely on a little luck to find the group again. The last car in the convoy should also watch and help out anyone that might have <a href="http://www.mz3.net/pictures/reunion/alan_trouble.jpg">mechanical trouble</a> (you know I love that picture Alan). This person needs to know the route and have an emergency plan of action to find the main group again.<tr><td align=center>? didn't name ?</td><td align=center>Roaming</td><td>This person has the <a href="http://www.sel.sony.com:80/SEL/consumer/ss5/camcorder/hi8handycamrtmcamcorders/ccd-tr930.html">camcorder</a> and/or <a href="http://www.computers.com/product/list/0,3,0-21-1024-x-1,00.html?st.co.cdoor21.nav.1024">digital camera</a>. In charge of documenting as much as possible, moving around the convoy to get pictures of everyone and everything of interest. Again it would be nice if this roll was filled by a passenger but I know Carter has a few toys that let him drive and do this at the same time</td></tr></table><p>Comments, Suggestions .....Volunteers?

Alan
03-25-1998, 11:49 AM
My thoughts:<p>Requirements for first car: two-way radio and radar detector.<p>Requirements for last car: two-way radio and radar detector.<p>Both are in effect security officers besides any other duties. A "security officer" somewhere in the middle is a good idea too just for added, well, security.<p>I'll volunteer to be the communications officer--I've got one of the talkabouts and am happy in the middle of the pack. The lead car should be able to reach the middle car with the radio as should the tail car. Both could relay reports of potential problems such as their radar detectors going nuts.<p>The captain and navigator can communicate with the communications officer to relay upcoming turns, stops, points of interest, etc.<p>As far as communicating with cars without the radios, I think it is a good idea if we all drive with our headlights on. I don't like daytime running lights, but in a big convoy it is sure nice to be able to check the rearview mirror and count cars with lights on behind you. I've been with my boss on a couple of land rover convoys and this has worked well.<p>When looking in your rear view mirror, if you see headlights flashing behind you, it means slow down. If they continue to flash after you slow down, it means stop. When you see this signal, you are supposed to repeat the signal to pass it forward.<p>Each car is responsible for the car immediately ahead and behind them. If you can no longer see the car behind you, slow down and start flashing your lights. If the car still doesn't come into view, and you can't make radio contact with anyone behind you, keep flashing your lights to pass the message forward that everyone needs to start slowing down and perhaps even stopping as the convoy is split.<p>Another thing we should do is divide up "tools" to bring on the convoy. For example, jumper cables would have been <a href="http://www.mz3.net/pictures/reunion/alan_trouble.jpg">really nice</a> for last year's return convoy. We should agree ahead of time who will bring jumper cables, who will bring the M tire repair system they refused to return to their dealer (or fix-a-flat), set of socket wrenches, shiner bock, etc.<p>more as I think of it...<p><br>--Alan

Mike K.
03-25-1998, 12:12 PM
<i><Chuckle> Robert, I love it! The only comment I might make is that it would seem to make sense to have a radar detector near both front and back of the convoy.<p>I'd be happy to volunteer at one of the posts. I have a Valentine1 now and two talkabout+'s. I also have an amatuer radio made in Belgium (President Lincoln) that has virtually every frequency known to mankind available on it. It's a long shot (I'm not sure if the "codes" on the takabouts are really an encoding or a frequency variation) I'll have to check and see if it works with the Talkabouts, but that may make a good communication device as it has mega-wattage available (as well as a linear amplifier for some extra punch!).<p>Keep me posted!<br>Mike K.<br>Rarin' to head to the hills!<br></i>

Robert
03-25-1998, 12:43 PM
<font color=gray>Robert, I love it! The only comment I might make is that it would seem to make sense to have a radar detector near both front and back of the convoy.<p>I'd be happy to volunteer at one of the posts. I have a Valentine1 now and two talkabout+'s.</font><p>I also have a <a href="http://www.valentine1.com">Valentine1</a>, but I'm having some trouble with the sig lighter in this loaner car (it appears to be dead).<p>I'm going to step back and let Randy & Vince assign positions (this is their show). Assuming I can get the power restored I was going to volunteer to be the trailing "security officer".<p>FYI: the other names we jokingly came up with for the guy up front with the radar detector was "Bait" or to continue the Star Trek theme "Red Suit" (in reference to the Star Trek guy in a red suit that you had never seen before, who is always the first to get killed).<br>

Alan
03-25-1998, 12:47 PM
<i>: I'm going to step back and let Randy & Vince assign positions (this is their show). Assuming I can get the power restored I was going to volunteer to be the trailing "security officer".</i><p>Clarification on my earlier post. I was thinking about the Reunion convoy rather than the Texas Z3 Hill Country run, so that's my official "i'll volunteer" for the Reunion convoy. Not saying I wouldn't volunteer for the hill country run, but I'm just planning on showing up and doing what I'm told. :-)<p><br>--Alan

the Baba
03-25-1998, 12:50 PM
<i>: <Chuckle> Robert, I love it! <p>: Keep me posted!<br>: Mike K.<br>: Rarin' to head to the hills!<p></i><p>.........missin', in regards to the "Golden 3" upgrades! The 2.8 has got some awesome potential!! Should give the <B><FONT COLOR=#4F95FD>/</FONT><FONT COLOR=#490587>/</FONT><FONT <br>COLOR=#FF0000>/</FONT>M </B> boys a run for they money too!!!<p><B><FONT COLOR=#0909FF><FONT FACE="Comic Sans MS"><FONT SIZE="3"><FONT COLOR="#8000FF">t</FONT><FONT COLOR="#9200DB">h</FONT><FONT COLOR="#A400B7">e</FONT><FONT COLOR="#B60093"> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#C8006F">B</FONT><FONT COLOR="#DA004B">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#EC0027">b</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FE0003">a</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT><br>'97 Z3 2.8, <FONT COLOR=#C0C0C0>Arctic Silver</FONT>, Black x3, 17’s, CD, <I><FONT COLOR=#0000FF>H</FONT><FONT COLOR=#4C004C>M</FONT><FONT COLOR=#FF0000>S</FONT></I> ‘bar and Windscreen, Modified Mike K. Exhaust System: Borla Turbo Muffler & Inter-Cooled Tips, <FONT COLOR=#144C14>DINAN stuff</FONT>, V-1, K&S "Z"ube®™, etc. Powered by SHINER’S</FONT> </B><br> <br>

Chris B
03-25-1998, 01:29 PM
<i>: My thoughts:<p>: Requirements for first car: two-way radio and radar detector.<p>: Requirements for last car: two-way radio and radar detector.<p>: Both are in effect security officers besides any other duties. A "security officer" somewhere in the middle is a good idea too just for added, well, security.<p>: I'll volunteer to be the communications officer--I've got one of the talkabouts and am happy in the middle of the pack. The lead car should be able to reach the middle car with the radio as should the tail car. Both could relay reports of potential problems such as their radar detectors going nuts.<p>: The captain and navigator can communicate with the communications officer to relay upcoming turns, stops, points of interest, etc.<p>: As far as communicating with cars without the radios, I think it is a good idea if we all drive with our headlights on. I don't like daytime running lights, but in a big convoy it is sure nice to be able to check the rearview mirror and count cars with lights on behind you. I've been with my boss on a couple of land rover convoys and this has worked well.<p>: When looking in your rear view mirror, if you see headlights flashing behind you, it means slow down. If they continue to flash after you slow down, it means stop. When you see this signal, you are supposed to repeat the signal to pass it forward.<p>: Each car is responsible for the car immediately ahead and behind them. If you can no longer see the car behind you, slow down and start flashing your lights. If the car still doesn't come into view, and you can't make radio contact with anyone behind you, keep flashing your lights to pass the message forward that everyone needs to start slowing down and perhaps even stopping as the convoy is split.<p>: Another thing we should do is divide up "tools" to bring on the convoy. For example, jumper cables would have been <a href="http://www.mz3.net/pictures/reunion/alan_trouble.jpg">really nice</a> for last year's return convoy. We should agree ahead of time who will bring jumper cables, who will bring the M tire repair system they refused to return to their dealer (or fix-a-flat), set of socket wrenches, shiner bock, etc.<p>: more as I think of it...<p>: <br>: --Alan<p></i>

Chris B
03-25-1998, 01:35 PM
for someone to borrow.<p>If we make sure everyone knows the route, cars should be able to catch up. Will we have maps??<p>Have Talkabout, ready to travel.<p>Chris<p><i>: <font face=arial>A few of us were chatting on <a href="http://www.mcs.net/~carter/roadster/mIRC/">IRC</a> last night. For awhile we were discussing "rolls and responsibilities" that should be in place for a 30 car convoy <a href="http://www.ddg.com/z3texas/events/980328/">like the one that should take place this weekend</a>. I'm looking for advice and/or suggestions from those that have some experience. We ending up semi-joking about it and came up with Star-Trek names for each position so I'll continue the pun here but what I'm really interested in discussing is the specific content (not the joke/pun itself). Also realize that one person can (and probably will) fill more than one roll.<p>: <table border=1 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=0><tr><th>Name</th><th>Position</th><th>Responsibility</th></tr><tr><td align=center>Captain</td><td align=center>Near the Front</td><td>This is the guy in charge of making decisions and keeping the convoy <u>on schedule</u>. While everyone else is <a href="http://www.mcs.net/~carter/z3reunion/fri08.jpg">having a good time</a> this is the guy cracking the whip. Whenever the convoy stops (<a href="http://www.mz3.net/pictures/reunion/meeting_in_nashville_2.jpg">meeting points</a>, <a href="http://www.mz3.net/pictures/reunion/convoy_7.jpg">gas</a>, <a href="http://www.mz3.net/pictures/reunion/convoy_3.jpg">bathroom breaks</a>, etc) this person will be a very busy.</td></tr><tr><td align=center>Communications Officer</td><td align=center>Middle Car</td><td>Now that our convoys will be equipped with <a href="http://www.talkabout.com/">two way radios</a>, we should establish someone in charge of keeping everyone informed. With 30 cars we might stretch the convoy out beyond the range of the radios. To maximize the communications range the middle car should be the most capable of transmitting information to all members of the convoy. This person also needs to somehow communicate with the non-radioed cars (any suggestions)</td></tr><tr><td align=center>Navigation</td><td align=center>Near the front</td><td>This is the one in charge of making sure we don't get lost. They should <a href="http://www.ddg.com/z3texas/events/980328/directions.html">know the route</a> and be able to communicate navigation information to everyone else. I learned at <a href="http://www.mcs.net/~carter/z3reunion/">last years reunion</a> that the a passenger is more suited for this role than a driver. especially on longer drives were more navigation is needed.</td></tr><tr><td align=center>Security Officer</td><td align=center>Lead Car</td><td>The guy with the <a href="http://www.valentine1.com/">radar detector</a>. As a rule Z3 convoys really can't get away with speeding (okay maybe a little over). However I've learned that a Z3 convoy attracts a lot of attention, and even if the lead car is going the speed limit the last car sometimes has to go well over the limit to catch up. Having knowledge of where the police are never hurts.</td></tr><tr><td align=center>Number One</td><td align=center>Last Car</td><td>This person might be called upon to "lead the away team". With this many cars it's possible for something to happen and the convoy to get split up. Last year this happened to a <a href="http://www.mz3.net/pictures/reunion/where_did_they_go_2.jpg">few of us</a>, and we had to rely on a little luck to find the group again. The last car in the convoy should also watch and help out anyone that might have <a href="http://www.mz3.net/pictures/reunion/alan_trouble.jpg">mechanical trouble</a> (you know I love that picture Alan). This person needs to know the route and have an emergency plan of action to find the main group again.<tr><td align=center>? didn't name ?</td><td align=center>Roaming</td><td>This person has the <a href="http://www.sel.sony.com:80/SEL/consumer/ss5/camcorder/hi8handycamrtmcamcorders/ccd-tr930.html">camcorder</a> and/or <a href="http://www.computers.com/product/list/0,3,0-21-1024-x-1,00.html?st.co.cdoor21.nav.1024">digital camera</a>. In charge of documenting as much as possible, moving around the convoy to get pictures of everyone and everything of interest. Again it would be nice if this roll was filled by a passenger but I know Carter has a few toys that let him drive and do this at the same time</td></tr></table><p>: Comments, Suggestions .....Volunteers?<p></i>

Mike K.
03-25-1998, 02:15 PM
Haven't driven the little mean green machine for several days now. Janell is at home now and enjoying the car around town now and then. I've been getting used to my new little "daily driver" nissan truck. I took it to work today and whoo!!! I love my baby! It's 81 degrees and drop dead gorgeous here in Austin! I went out during lunch and was very(!) reluctant to come back! The 2.8 with the "golden three" scoots like a turpentined wild-cat. I love the punch that the open intake and exhaust give, and the deep glorious Wwwhhhooooom of the exhaust is true music.<p>Oh man, if the weather holds the Texas run will be a total blast!<br>Mike K.<br>"Drooping under indoor lighting... :("

Mike K.
03-25-1998, 11:00 PM
Well,<br>I checked out the President Lincoln, and it only covers 28-29 MHz. So no go on talking with the TalkAbouts. Too bad...<br>-Mike K.<p><i>: <Chuckle> Robert, I love it! The only comment I might make is that it would seem to make sense to have a radar detector near both front and back of the convoy.<p>: I'd be happy to volunteer at one of the posts. I have a Valentine1 now and two talkabout+'s. I also have an amatuer radio made in Belgium (President Lincoln) that has virtually every frequency known to mankind available on it. It's a long shot (I'm not sure if the "codes" on the takabouts are really an encoding or a frequency variation) I'll have to check and see if it works with the Talkabouts, but that may make a good communication device as it has mega-wattage available (as well as a linear amplifier for some extra punch!).<p>: Keep me posted!<br>: Mike K.<br>: Rarin' to head to the hills!<p></i>

Francisco
03-25-1998, 11:45 PM
All,<p>If Diane and I can help, we are available. We have 2 - Talkabouts, 1 - V1, 1 - Digital Camera, 1 - Camcorder and 1 - passenger. We are ready to rumble!<p>Francisco

Greg in Sydney
03-26-1998, 05:40 AM
Otherwise you may require someone to play the "role" of panelbeater...<p>Greg I-have-a-degree-in-journalism-and-I'm-going-to-annoy-you-with-it<p>;-)<br>


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