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MFraser
05-22-1999, 02:09 PM
This is a question for all you 2.8ers out there.<p>Are you happy with your decision?<p>I'm looking at my options here and the big rebate and lower price on the 2.8 is very tempting. If it's 8/10ths or 9/10th of an M I think I'd be happy and save some bucks in the process. The problem is a test drive isn't enough seat time to really get a good feel for what I should do.<p>Any feedback would be much apreciated<p>Mack

Montie
05-22-1999, 08:47 PM
<i>: This is a question for all you 2.8ers out there.<p>: Are you happy with your decision?<p>: I'm looking at my options here and the big rebate and lower price on the 2.8 is very tempting. If it's 8/10ths or 9/10th of an M I think I'd be happy and save some bucks in the process. The problem is a test drive isn't enough seat time to really get a good feel for what I should do.<p>: Any feedback would be much apreciated<p>: Mack<p></i> I own a '99 Black 2.8L Coupe with saddle interior and I've driven a '98 M Roadster. Stock, the M is appreciabley quicker. I've taken care of this deficit by installing a performance pulley, lightening the car by about 100LBS, and installing a K&N. I'm hiting the 60 in about 5.5, while the M is around 5.2 - 5.5 (depends which rag you read). My quarter mile time is about 14.4, while the M's is about 13.9.<br> The handling of the 2.8 is a tad softer (damper and springs) which makes it a little more comfortable, but not as quick through the cones. I've addressed this by installing some Koni's and H&R's. The 2.8L grips (I'm talking lateral G's) quite a bit better than the M, but the 2.8's steering is slower and there's no way of correcting this annoyance. <br> The looks are, obviously, quite similar. I prefer the more reserved look of the 2.8, but I'm sure I'm in the minority.<br> Okay, so what do we have. I've spent about $1,100 and have a 2.8 that's almost as fast as an M, can outhandle an M, and, I think, looks better than an M. But it ain't an M! If you're into status, get an M. If you're into driving, get a 2.8. With the mods I've made, the differences aren't great.

- IMHO. dp (///M!)
05-22-1999, 08:49 PM
<i>: This is a question for all you 2.8ers out there.<p>: Are you happy with your decision?<p>: I'm looking at my options here and the big rebate and lower price on the 2.8 is very tempting. If it's 8/10ths or 9/10th of an M I think I'd be happy and save some bucks in the process. The problem is a test drive isn't enough seat time to really get a good feel for what I should do.<p>: Any feedback would be much apreciated<p>: Mack<p></i>

Cheuk in Seoul
05-23-1999, 12:25 AM
I figure the spare and the jack and tool set...does your passanger have a seat to sit on?<p>

vertigo
05-23-1999, 02:49 AM
M-cars usually have much higher real world<br>residuals--if you plan to resell in a few<br>years the difference in cost may narrow.<br>That being said, the car isn't selling all<br>that well stateside, so residuals may be<br>low irrespective.<p>--Vertigo

DrBimmer
05-23-1999, 11:18 AM
What exatly is the price difference? About $5,000 here in the states. Add in a few options to the 2.8 and you are almost at ///M territory. The ///M will get much more resale as well. <p>If you lived in Portugal where I am from, and the 2.8 costs $53K and the ///M is $80K then there would be a difference. Sure their M has 321 hp, but is it really worth an almost $30k increase in price? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. But for us, we are getting a great deal. Sure we don't get all that power, but we do get an upgraded suspension, rims, tires, and engine. I think the ///M is definatley worth it. And no the 2.8 is not 9/10 of a ///M. <p> <i>: This is a question for all you 2.8ers out there.<p>: Are you happy with your decision?<p>: I'm looking at my options here and the big rebate and lower price on the 2.8 is very tempting. If it's 8/10ths or 9/10th of an M I think I'd be happy and save some bucks in the process. The problem is a test drive isn't enough seat time to really get a good feel for what I should do.<p>: Any feedback would be much apreciated<p>: Mack<p></i>

dp
05-23-1999, 04:21 PM
<i>: M-cars usually have much higher real world<br>: residuals--if you plan to resell in a few<br>: years the difference in cost may narrow.<br>: That being said, the car isn't selling all<br>: that well stateside, so residuals may be<br>: low irrespective.<p>: --Vertigo<p></i>

Gerald Bimmer
05-23-1999, 06:15 PM
<br>. <p>I have a 2.8 Silver coupe with a black leather interior and the aluminum tril package on the console & knobs.I use the car for everyday driving and absolutely LOVE IT.The 22.8 has a more refined and better looking interior and is more than peppy and adequete for anything I want to do.Unless you want a Rocket Ship I think the 2.8 is a more practical alternative for everyday driving.

Gerald Bimmer
05-23-1999, 06:15 PM
<br>. <p>I have a 2.8 Silver coupe with a black leather interior and the aluminum tril package on the console & knobs.I use the car for everyday driving and absolutely LOVE IT.The 22.8 has a more refined and better looking interior and is more than peppy and adequete for anything I want to do.Unless you want a Rocket Ship I think the 2.8 is a more practical alternative for everyday driving.

CoupeDude
05-23-1999, 06:20 PM
It is purely an economic decision.<p>In addition to the lower price on the Z3 Coupe 2.8 you can get a much deeper discount on one, not to mention the dealer incentives on the 2.8 Coupe.<p>So a real world scenario might be $34K for a well equiped Z3 Coupe 2.8 and let's say $40K for an M Coupe. Is the $6,000 worth it for the M Coupe? Of course it is! But for someone stretching to get the M Coupe the Z3 Coupe 2.8 is a great alternative.<p>Another not so obvious financial factor is insurance. Depending on your situation there can be a big difference in premiums for the Z3 Coupe and the M Coupe. (Especially in my situation, when I first started Coupe hunting I was 24 with a healthy number of points on my record, and the premiums were insance, luckily I turned 25 before I got my Coupe, many would still say my premiums are insane.)<p>So for many people the Z3 Coupe is a better financial decision, but on top of that there are some distinct advantages for the Z3 Coupe that would be strong midigating circumstances in your decision makeing.<p>Z3 Coupe 2.8 Vs. M Coupe:<p>Z3 Coupe 2.8 is significantly lighter*<br>Z3 Coupe 2.8 has better road holding**<br>Z3 Coupe 2.8 has better brakeing**<br>Z3 Coupe 2.8 is only 0.8 seconds slower then M Coupe 0-60 Acceleration**<br>Z3 Coupe 2.8 has a more comfortable ride (better daily driver)<br>Z3 Coupe 2.8 is quiter at highway cruise (again, better daily driver)<br>Z3 Coupe is more rare<p>*BMW<br>**Car and Driver<p>More subjective factors include:<p>Z3 Coupe has a very nice interior, many find it preferable. I like the two tone M Coupe interior, but the interior of my Z3 Coupe 2.8 really drew me to the car.<p><center><img src = "http://www.bluemtn.com/anthony/interior1.html"><font size = -1><i>Walnut Leather on Black Interior</i></font></center><p>And the Tanin Red Leather on Black interior in a Silver Z3 Coupe 2.8 is absolutely superb.<p>Exterior differences are there too, again subjective. I prefer the Z3 gills over the M gills, but you could get an M and insert Z3 gills anyway. Oh and the upgrade 17" Radial styling wheels on the Z3 Coupe 2.8 are very arguably much nicer then the star wheels on the M.<p><center><img src = "http://www.bluemtn.com/anthony/front2.jpg"><font size = -1><i>Those wheels are da bomb</i></font></center><p>Others have described the Z3 Coupe 2.8 as haveing more precise steering and more predictable handling.<p>Finally, some also consider the class that each car competes in raceing. For example the Z3 Coupe 2.8 is in A stock for SCCA Solo II while the M Coupe is super stock.<p>Again, if money were no object, why not get the M Coupe? I can't think of a good reason, it's worth the price difference, but if money is an object you can save some dough and even have some real advantages over the M Coupe.<p>Happy Coupe Hunting!<p>-Anthony<br><a href = "http://www.bluemtn.com/anthony/coupe.html">99 Z3 Coupe 2.8</a><p><i>: This is a question for all you 2.8ers out there.<p>: Are you happy with your decision?<p>: I'm looking at my options here and the big rebate and lower price on the 2.8 is very tempting. If it's 8/10ths or 9/10th of an M I think I'd be happy and save some bucks in the process. The problem is a test drive isn't enough seat time to really get a good feel for what I should do.<p>: Any feedback would be much apreciated<p>: Mack<p></i>

CoupeDude
05-23-1999, 06:21 PM
It is purely an economic decision.<p>In addition to the lower price on the Z3 Coupe 2.8 you can get a much deeper discount on one, not to mention the dealer incentives on the 2.8 Coupe.<p>So a real world scenario might be $34K for a well equiped Z3 Coupe 2.8 and let's say $40K for an M Coupe. Is the $6,000 worth it for the M Coupe? Of course it is! But for someone stretching to get the M Coupe the Z3 Coupe 2.8 is a great alternative.<p>Another not so obvious financial factor is insurance. Depending on your situation there can be a big difference in premiums for the Z3 Coupe and the M Coupe. (Especially in my situation, when I first started Coupe hunting I was 24 with a healthy number of points on my record, and the premiums were insance, luckily I turned 25 before I got my Coupe, many would still say my premiums are insane.)<p>So for many people the Z3 Coupe is a better financial decision, but on top of that there are some distinct advantages for the Z3 Coupe that would be strong midigating circumstances in your decision makeing.<p>Z3 Coupe 2.8 Vs. M Coupe:<p>Z3 Coupe 2.8 is significantly lighter*<br>Z3 Coupe 2.8 has better road holding**<br>Z3 Coupe 2.8 has better brakeing**<br>Z3 Coupe 2.8 is only 0.8 seconds slower then M Coupe 0-60 Acceleration**<br>Z3 Coupe 2.8 has a more comfortable ride (better daily driver)<br>Z3 Coupe 2.8 is quiter at highway cruise (again, better daily driver)<br>Z3 Coupe is more rare<p>*BMW<br>**Car and Driver<p>More subjective factors include:<p>Z3 Coupe has a very nice interior, many find it preferable. I like the two tone M Coupe interior, but the interior of my Z3 Coupe 2.8 really drew me to the car.<p><center><img src = "http://www.bluemtn.com/anthony/interior1.jpg"><font size = -1><br><i>Walnut Leather on Black Interior</i></font></center><p>And the Tanin Red Leather on Black interior in a Silver Z3 Coupe 2.8 is absolutely superb.<p>Exterior differences are there too, again subjective. I prefer the Z3 gills over the M gills, but you could get an M and insert Z3 gills anyway. Oh and the upgrade 17" Radial styling wheels on the Z3 Coupe 2.8 are very arguably much nicer then the star wheels on the M.<p><center><img src = "http://www.bluemtn.com/anthony/front2.jpg"><font size = -1><br><i>Those wheels are da bomb</i></font></center><p>Others have described the Z3 Coupe 2.8 as haveing more precise steering and more predictable handling.<p>Finally, some also consider the class that each car competes in raceing. For example the Z3 Coupe 2.8 is in A stock for SCCA Solo II while the M Coupe is super stock.<p>Again, if money were no object, why not get the M Coupe? I can't think of a good reason, it's worth the price difference, but if money is an object you can save some dough and even have some real advantages over the M Coupe.<p>Happy Coupe Hunting!<p>-Anthony<br><a href = "http://www.bluemtn.com/anthony/coupe.html">99 Z3 Coupe 2.8</a><p><i>: This is a question for all you 2.8ers out there.<p>: Are you happy with your decision?<p>: I'm looking at my options here and the big rebate and lower price on the 2.8 is very tempting. If it's 8/10ths or 9/10th of an M I think I'd be happy and save some bucks in the process. The problem is a test drive isn't enough seat time to really get a good feel for what I should do.<p>: Any feedback would be much apreciated<p>: Mack<p></i>

M Fan
05-24-1999, 03:10 PM
I use my M as a daily driver and really like it. You only live once (as far as we know) - so go for the M.<p>The only possible downside is that the power is like crack. Once you get used to it, you want more. I am starting to investigate chips, exhaust, etc.<p>Anyway, you can't go wrong. Enjoy.

Montie
05-24-1999, 07:57 PM
<i>: I figure the spare and the jack and tool set...does your passanger have a seat to sit on?<p></i> Spare, jack, tool set, hatchback carpeting and plastic parts (hatchback is totally bare), rear wiper motor, carpet behind the seats, floor mats, replaced heavy factory exhaust with stainless unit (saves about 20lbs), saved 15lbs w/ new performance pulley, pulled insulation from the engine, pulled driving lights, pulled the spare tire holder, emptied wishy washer fluid...<br>Bet ya I could save another 50lbs w/ some ligher seats...hmmm.

costasz
05-24-1999, 08:02 PM
I don't see a point to even owning a Z3 Coupe<br>unless it's an M or a 2.8 pumped up to equivalent performance levels. It draws so much attention that you WILL have to back it up with something and a stock 2.8 does not have enough. Either get a 2.8 and put some aftermarket goodies on it or get an M and be done with it.<br>I got an M and I'm thinking about more power already even though I have not even broken the car in yet.

hope ya like it, Imola ///Mikky:o)
05-24-1999, 11:10 PM
<i>: : I figure the spare and the jack and tool set...does your passanger have a seat to sit on?<p>: Spare, jack, tool set, hatchback carpeting and plastic parts (hatchback is totally bare), rear wiper motor, carpet behind the seats, floor mats, replaced heavy factory exhaust with stainless unit (saves about 20lbs), saved 15lbs w/ new performance pulley, pulled insulation from the engine, pulled driving lights, pulled the spare tire holder, emptied wishy washer fluid...<br>: Bet ya I could save another 50lbs w/ some ligher seats...hmmm.<p></i>

M Sipe
05-25-1999, 05:00 PM
the steering ratio on the BMW MZ3 and M3's is 17.8:1 while the 2.8 Z3's is 15.2:1, so I'm not really sure how you came to the conclusion that the steering is slower. It's not.<p>Also, I lost 100 lbs in racing trim too (2810#), but am only recording 5.8 sec 0-60mph times with Hoosier A3S03 race tires, so unless you've done some major engine mods you're 5.5 sec time seems optimistic to me. I should point out that 60lbs of that weight reduction is in the tire/wheel package, and inertial weight removal has more of an impact on performance than dead weight. Your numbers don't jive with my experience.

Montie
05-25-1999, 08:42 PM
<i>: the steering ratio on the BMW MZ3 and M3's is 17.8:1 while the 2.8 Z3's is 15.2:1, so I'm not really sure how you came to the conclusion that the steering is slower. It's not.<p>: Also, I lost 100 lbs in racing trim too (2810#), but am only recording 5.8 sec 0-60mph times with Hoosier A3S03 race tires, so unless you've done some major engine mods you're 5.5 sec time seems optimistic to me. I should point out that 60lbs of that weight reduction is in the tire/wheel package, and inertial weight removal has more of an impact on performance than dead weight. Your numbers don't jive with my experience.<p></i> a lot quicker than my 2.8. In fact, they're not even comparable. My 2.8 FEELS like a caddy, while the M FEELS like a real sports car. Hard to argue with a subjective statement; objectively, it seems, I'm totally wrong. I have performed some minor tweeks (see previous post) to my Coupe, so I really don't understand the times either. When I test drove the M Coupe today (the drive was for the BMW breast cancer fund) the M Coupe FELT a lot quicker. But when I turned on the old G-Tech, the best time I could get was 5.6. I just don't understand, I mean the M FELT A LOT quicker! Not only that, the M Coupe sounded better too. And... the M's throttle response was instantaneous, while I always seem to get a slight hesitation. Any theories?

CoupeDude
05-26-1999, 09:57 AM
Would the M Steering wheel have an impact on steering feel?<p><i>: : the steering ratio on the BMW MZ3 and M3's is 17.8:1 while the 2.8 Z3's is 15.2:1, so I'm not really sure how you came to the conclusion that the steering is slower. It's not.<p>: : Also, I lost 100 lbs in racing trim too (2810#), but am only recording 5.8 sec 0-60mph times with Hoosier A3S03 race tires, so unless you've done some major engine mods you're 5.5 sec time seems optimistic to me. I should point out that 60lbs of that weight reduction is in the tire/wheel package, and inertial weight removal has more of an impact on performance than dead weight. Your numbers don't jive with my experience.<p>: a lot quicker than my 2.8. In fact, they're not even comparable. My 2.8 FEELS like a caddy, while the M FEELS like a real sports car. Hard to argue with a subjective statement; objectively, it seems, I'm totally wrong. I have performed some minor tweeks (see previous post) to my Coupe, so I really don't understand the times either. When I test drove the M Coupe today (the drive was for the BMW breast cancer fund) the M Coupe FELT a lot quicker. But when I turned on the old G-Tech, the best time I could get was 5.6. I just don't understand, I mean the M FELT A LOT quicker! Not only that, the M Coupe sounded better too. And... the M's throttle response was instantaneous, while I always seem to get a slight hesitation. Any theories?<p></i>

M Sipe
05-26-1999, 06:03 PM
<i>: : the steering ratio on the BMW MZ3 and M3's is 17.8:1 while the 2.8 Z3's is 15.2:1, so I'm not really sure how you came to the conclusion that the steering is slower. It's not.<p>: : Also, I lost 100 lbs in racing trim too (2810#), but am only recording 5.8 sec 0-60mph times with Hoosier A3S03 race tires, so unless you've done some major engine mods you're 5.5 sec time seems optimistic to me. I should point out that 60lbs of that weight reduction is in the tire/wheel package, and inertial weight removal has more of an impact on performance than dead weight. Your numbers don't jive with my experience.<p>: a lot quicker than my 2.8. In fact, they're not even comparable. My 2.8 FEELS like a caddy, while the M FEELS like a real sports car. Hard to argue with a subjective statement; objectively, it seems, I'm totally wrong. I have performed some minor tweeks (see previous post) to my Coupe, so I really don't understand the times either. When I test drove the M Coupe today (the drive was for the BMW breast cancer fund) the M Coupe FELT a lot quicker. But when I turned on the old G-Tech, the best time I could get was 5.6. I just don't understand, I mean the M FELT A LOT quicker! Not only that, the M Coupe sounded better too. And... the M's throttle response was instantaneous, while I always seem to get a slight hesitation. Any theories?<p></i>

costasz
05-27-1999, 11:09 AM
The M feels very precise but I think the steering wheel makes a difference too.<p>My wife's A4 with the sport wheel feels like it has more precise steering than my M Coupe.<p><br>

Cheuk in Seoul
05-29-1999, 02:12 AM
I have removed the spare and alot of the tools (30 lbs) , the pulley only lightens it by 4 lbs - I weight them, also changed the exhaust (didn't weight them). I don't think I would get quite as carried away as you did. I also added weight - a/d/s amp and upgraded Boston Acoustic speaker and 18" wheels.<br>


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