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Ned
06-21-2002, 09:31 AM
have fine scratches in the clearcoat. Last weekend I washed the car with Dawn to remove some of the old wax. Then I painstakingly applied 3M Hand Glaze and finally a coat of Blitz Wax. When I was done I didn't see scratches. But as I look out my office window at my car that is glistening in the sun I see scratches. What did I do wrong? Was it the 100% cotton cloth I used to remove the glaze and wax? Does the glaze not work as others attest? Should I resort to clay bar? Any insight would be greatly appreciated!!!

97 540i/6
39,800 miles

ntaylor
06-21-2002, 10:12 AM
1. Except for extremely fine scratches, it takes multiple coats of 3M Imerial Hand Glaze to fill them.

2. The 3M glaze is <B>not UV resistant</B>, and will quickly disappear in direct sunlight ... and Blitz Wax <B>may</b> not be UV resistant.

There is no easy way to fill all the swirl marks by hand unless there of very few of them ... like a new car that has been "prepped" once by the dealer. If your car has a lot of swirls, and your really determined to get rid of them, here's what I'd recommend ... two choices:

Easy way: Take the car to somebody that's really good with paint and have them power buff (polish) them out.
Hard way: Strip <B>ALL</B> the wax. Spend a couple or more hours working on the worst of the scratches with the 3M glaze. Top the entire car with at least two coats of Zaino #5. Repeat these three steps once a week until all the swirls are gone, then switch to Zaino #2.

One of the reasons that I prefer <A HREF=http://www.zainobros.com/ TARGET=new>Zaino</A> is that it gives a harder surface (more swirl resistant) than wax and it's a UV shield.<br><BR>
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scratches???? Ned
06-21-2002, 01:11 PM

fabrice002
06-21-2002, 07:16 PM
Ned, this may be a situation of not having started off with a coarse enough polish.

I\'ve gotten fantastic results from 3M Hand Glaze, but it\'s the 3rd step! First is a 3M Perfect-It II Rubbing compound (fine cut, 39002), then their swirl mark remover (39009 is for dark colors), then the hand glaze.

Did a friend\'s old red car, and transformed it. Had been in real sad shape.

<br>-Paul
'86 535i
'97 540i/6
'91 325iX

ntaylor
06-21-2002, 07:37 PM
Polish hides swirls by removing the clear coat (and/or paint) at the edges of the scratch. Glaze hides the swirls by filling the scratch. You can prove this to yourself by masking off a small (2” x 2”) area and applying several coats of the 3M glaze … and be sure to do it away from direct sunlight. Your first indication that it isn’t polishing out the scratch is that heavy or prolonged rubbing requires more coats to fill the scratch instead of fewer. The real proof comes with moving the car into direct sunlight. On a bright day the scratch will start to reappear in an hour or two, and after an afternoon’s worth of sunshine all of your swirls will be back … the glaze simply disappears with UV light. To protect the glaze it <B>must</B> be covered with a UV shielding carnauba or polymer.

If you use a polymer on your car, then Zaino’s #5 will do almost as good a job of filling swirls as the 3M glaze … it just takes more coats … but it’s UV resistant.

On my Jet Black I only use the 3M glaze on real scratches …. like where the cat jumped on my hood and tried to keep from slowly sliding off … or where I’ve drug a small piece of dirt across the paint when I’ve been careless in my daily dusting. For regular use the Zaino #5 just gradually fills the swirls that the dealer prepped my car with.
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ntaylor
06-21-2002, 07:41 PM
shape, but if the only defects are swirls, then I'd stay away from polishes. You can't go wrong by preserving the clear coat.<br><BR>
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Techno
06-25-2002, 12:50 PM
a fragile coating designed to make things real shiny. It has no abrasive quality whatsoever and does not remove anything. It simply lays on top of the paint and fills scratches - giving a nice wet look - temporarily. It does not REMOVE scratches. Although a lot of people swear by it as a pre-wax step, I disagree. Glaze should really be a final step prior to a car show or something. How does one expect wax to bond to paint covered with glaze?

If you want to physically remove or diminish (not just visually hide)scratches, you have to remove some surrounding paint via a cleaner wax (Zymol's is great), polish (3M fine cut) or swirl remover (3M).

Ned
06-27-2002, 07:30 AM

Techno
06-27-2002, 02:19 PM
yep. If you're going to a car show or just want to look wet/shiny and scratch/swirl free for a day or two, glaze the car. If you want to permanently remove scrathes, use something else.

07-01-2002, 10:04 AM
you need to use a cleaner like Meguiar's Fine Cut Cleaner, P21S Gloss Enhancing Paintwork Cleanser, or Zymol HD-Cleanse. These products are designed to remove fine scratches along with removing slight oxidation. They clean the paint.

When you are finished, you will see if the scratches are gone. If they are not, then you need to use more aggressive products like Meguiar's Medium Cut. I only recommend using these products with a machine like an orbital polisher (porter cable, dewalt).

After the scratces are gone, then use 3M Hand Glaze with a wax.

Another note: If the scratches are too severe, then take your car to a professional detailer.

Any questions, email me or call 1-800-964-8711.

Sincerely,
Melissa
http://www.autodetail.com


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