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Morgan
07-30-2002, 04:15 AM
This message is really for Steve, the guru. But I'll take all comments.

A lot of the discussion here deals with older, prewaxed or even neglected finishes that reqiure a lot of swirl removal, etc. I have a new 330i due to arrive shortly. I have a Porter Cable 7424 with a 6" Contour Backing plate and a 3-pack of polishing and finishing pads from Meguiars.

After lots of study here in this forum, here's what I have planned for applying the car's first protectant. I'm fairly confident except for the last two steps:

1. Pick up car from dealer with NO wash/wax prep! The cured factory finish should have no protectant to remove.

2. Clean car with a mild wash. I have both Zymol Auto Wash and Meguairs Gold Class Car Wash Shampoo. Any preference? (I know, if car was previously waxed, then something like Dawn detergent would be appropriate here.)

3. Clay it with Body Magic Blue Clay to remove any contaminants from shipping and to get that "smooth as glass" surface prep. I'll use the supplied Body Magic lubricant or Quik Detailer.

4. Polish with Meguiars Deep Crystal Polish (is this really needed/recommended on a brand new surface?) Steve has espoused the P21S Paint Cleanser here, but this paint will be near perfect. Is cleansing or conditioning/nourishing the better choice for a new finish at this point?

5. Protect with Meguiars Gold Class Clear Coat Wax. Steve has recommended Zaino Z5 here. Would Zaino be a preferrable virgin-wax treatment to the Meguiars Gold Class? If curing time is not an issue, is it better to use the Z5 without the ZFX accelerator? The P21S paste wax has also garnered much popularity here. Baden Smith extols the virtues of Meguairs Hi-Tech Yellow #26.

What's the best protectant product for a completely virgin paint finish? Shine is secondary, as I believe the new surface will lend itself to a glossy appearance regardless, due to the new surface and machine application of product along with plenty of manual "straight-line" hand care.

Thanks, all.

--Morgan

Morgan
07-30-2002, 04:23 AM
Forgot to also solicit comments on using this opportunity to apply a protectant paint film on leading edges of the car, like Xpel or Invinca (which seems the same as X-Pel, but costs less).

Any opinions from the detailing pros on these products? Are they bad for the paint, more trouble than they're worth? Or is now the best time to apply them?

Thanks!

<a href="http://www.xpel.com">X-Pel</a>

<a href="http://www.invinca-shield.com">Invinca</a>

ntaylor
07-30-2002, 08:24 AM
<I>1. Pick up car from dealer with NO wash/wax prep! The cured factory finish should have no protectant to remove.</I>

Good start. Donít let the dealer touch the paint!

<I>2. Clean car with a mild wash. I have both Zymol Auto Wash and Meguairs Gold Class Car Wash Shampoo. Any preference? (I know, if car was previously waxed, then something like Dawn detergent would be appropriate here.)</I>

Iíd do the first wash with a high alkaline content liquid dish detergent such as Liquid Dawn just to make sure itís <B>really clean</B>!

<I>3. Clay it with Body Magic Blue Clay to remove any contaminants from shipping and to get that "smooth as glass" surface prep. I'll use the supplied Body Magic lubricant or Quik Detailer.</I>

A solution of regular car wash and water will work as well as the more expensive detailers Ö just be sure to use <B>plenty</B> of lubricant. Do another complete wash with your car wash after the clay bar process.

<I>4. Polish with Meguiars Deep Crystal Polish (is this really needed/recommended on a brand new surface?) Steve has espoused the P21S Paint Cleanser here, but this paint will be near perfect. Is cleansing or conditioning/nourishing the better choice for a new finish at this point? </I>

This <B>may</B> help Ö it wouldnít hurt. But, do wash again after application.

<I>5. Protect with Meguiars Gold Class Clear Coat Wax. Steve has recommended Zaino Z5 here. Would Zaino be a preferrable virgin-wax treatment to the Meguiars Gold Class? If curing time is not an issue, is it better to use the Z5 without the ZFX accelerator? The P21S paste wax has also garnered much popularity here. Baden Smith extols the virtues of Meguairs Hi-Tech Yellow #26. </I>

My preference is Zaino, not the carnaubas. Iíd start with Z5, and when <B>all swirl</B> marks have disappeared switch to Z2. I havenít seen any difference between using Z1 or ZFX except curing time Ö and it letís you do multiple layers on the same day.

<I>What's the best protectant product for a completely virgin paint finish? Shine is secondary, as I believe the new surface will lend itself to a glossy appearance regardless, due to the new surface and machine application of product along with plenty of manual "straight-line" hand care.</I>

Iíd go with Zaino as a better protectant due to itís harder surface. Better protection from marking from bugs, small rocks, etc.

YMMV Ö good luck with your new paint!
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Baden
07-30-2002, 08:36 AM
#3: I never bought my Z3 new but I would assume that a brand new car would already have that smooth as glass feel to it. The clay bar is used to remove surface contaminants which are built up *over time*. I would think that any issues with your paint may well be addressed with a good washing with a quality car wash as you've stated in #2. Bottom line, check the feel of the paint and you probably will not need to clay the car.

#5 P21S is a great wax but I found that it just wasn't that well suited to using with the Porter Cable. I had good sucess with Meguiar's #26 as you said but there are other good waxes out there.


Let's see some pics once you're finished!


Baden
'98 Z3 2.8L Arctic Silver

steve
07-30-2002, 11:50 AM
Nick & Baden make some very excellent and valid points, and I really can't think of anything to add other than what they said.

One note on the P21S Paint Cleansing Lotion. It's really a poorly named product - the cleaning action on it is negligible...it's primarly a polish/paint enhancer that will make your paint color deeper and more wet looking.

My favorite combo is (and I've done this on all 3 of my latest brand new vehicles):

1) Remove plastic protective shipping sheets
2) Use 3M General Trim & Adhesive remover on any remaining glue residue (this stuff is a must have for anyone - it cleans great & is safe for all paint).
3) Wash with Dawn
4) Clay with ClayMagic Blue & lube mix (1oz car shampoo w/15oz warm water)
5) Wash with car wash soap
6) Polish surface with P21S Paintwork Cleansing Lotion
7) Wax (or) final wash with car wash soap & apply Zaino Z5/ZFX

From my experiences, Zaino would be the preferable choice for my next "virgin" car. A few coats of it early on goes a long way with having to avoid future re-details, and, subsequent coats of Zaino only add to the protection/look.

Regarding your question about the Xpel - it's a wonderful product. It works really great and can save a lot of headaches from stone/rock chips. If you decide to go with it, don't wax or polish the area where you plan to apply it - it will bond better that way.

Thanks, and to echo everyone else: take some pics and show us the results when you're finished! :-)

9 Nines
07-30-2002, 03:42 PM
P21S will likely leave oils unless you wash with something harsh, which is not good for paint. P21S is very mild with little cleaning, as your guide states. It mainly adds oils for a very good shine. If you are going to use Zaino, you should skips P21S because to properly apply Zaino, you will have to just strip the P21S.

Morgan
07-30-2002, 05:13 PM
I think we're talking about two different P21S products here.

Steve is referring to the P21S Paint Cleanser (which comes in a tall plastic bottle). I think you may be referring to P21S carnauba paste wax which comes in the wide-mouthed cannister.

If I'm right on both counts, then yes, I'd imagine that the Z5 would not adhere to the P21S wax (and that really wouldn't make sense to to layer since they're redundant). The P21S Paint Cleanser, if I understand correctly, is more of a pre-wax preparation and should help the Z5 bond better.

Correct me if I'm all wet (and not properly beading).

steve
07-30-2002, 06:08 PM
I've been using that technique since October of 2001 on:

2002 Tahoe
2002 VW 337 GTI
1997 BMW 528i
1997 BMW 740iL
1999 BMW 540
2001 Jaguar XKR Silverstone
2001 Audi A4

All without any troubles. I've also talked to Sal personally about the technique, and he said that the Dawn wash recommendation is more of an insurance step - think about how many people use Zaino and their varying skill levels....I'm sure that in the interest of keeping customer complaints/calls/confusion to a minimum that he suggests the Dawn wash before any initial Zaino application (a "CYA").

Also, Dawn is no more harmful for your car than certain specialty carwash shampoo's. We've tested over 30 different wash solutions, and the pH level of Dawn is more safe than at least 5 different solutions that I can think of (off the top of my head). Remember, clear is clear is clear - it's protection for your vehicle, and on a new vehicle, the clear should be at or near 100%.

9 Nines
07-31-2002, 07:29 AM
P21S Cleanser adds oil and shine to car. Call Sal Zaino and ask him, if Zaino will bond to a car with P21S Paint Cleanser on it.

9 Nines
07-31-2002, 08:00 AM
When I had problems with Zaino. He went on adn on about how ther can be no traces of oil etc. on car. Maybe he tells people different things depending on his comfort level with them. All I know is tha the seem to think that any problems with Zaino are caused by oil, wax etc. on cars. Maybe he will endorse P21S cleanser before his Zaino.

steve
07-31-2002, 12:02 PM
My guess is that because you were having trouble with your Zaino application/results, that he had to go into "lab" mode - where he needs to be certain that you've eliminated every single variable or potential area for problems.

Like I said earlier, I use the P21S Cleanser first, wash with Zaino Z7, and then go about applying the Zaino. Zero problems (fingers crossed) since October 2001.


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