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02-25-2003, 05:34 PM
My Z4 is one week old, but some pollen accumulated over the week and I decided to wash and wax after reading some of the tips here last night. But I have found two problems.

I came home, washed the car with Maguiar's auto wash, dried with a leather chamois. It was mostly cloudy, but about 78 degrees.

The first problem became apparent when I ran the chamois across the top to get the water off and it left a lot of residue. I'm not sure what to do about that, maybe vacuum after it dries.

The second problem came up when I pulled the car into the garage and started waxing, using Maguiar's Gold Class liquid. I noticed water spots on the hood, that I thought would come off when waxed, but after following the directions, they remained. A second coat and some elbow grease reduced them quite a bit, but there was still enough left that it bothered me. So I used some Maguiar's Mist & Wax spray intended for between waxes and it removed the spots very nicely, but I cannot help but wonder why I had the spots in the first place and what I can do to avoid them in the future. Was the hood too warm from just driving perhaps? The Chamois removed all the standing water and I saw no spots with washing.

Also, I went to a couple auto stores to find Rag Top brand cleaner and preservative, but no one seemed to have heard of them. A call to my BMW sales guy was of little further help, but he advised to go to a boating store and buy their canvas water proofing products, saying it was cheaper and just as good. Any help with that one? True? Or does anyone know what store carries Rag Top?

I really want to keep my new toy looking nice, but am a total novice at really good care, so I have much to learn. Up until now, for my past cheaper cars, I had just used dish soap and water and a little Rain Dance or Nu Finish, but obviously, after reading a lot on this board last night, that is real amature stuff.

02-25-2003, 10:12 PM
Not sure about the rag top, but I bought some for my father online...the residue from the chamois is because you need to completely soak and resoak the chamois before it's first use because of the oils and preservatives on it.

02-25-2003, 10:54 PM
To eliminate your problems, I would ditch the chamois. Buy a big microfiber towel and don't look back. To illustrate my point, what is the first thing you have to do to a chamois to get it to work? You have to get it wet. Now how much sense does it make to slide a wet object over your wet car to dry it? I did it for over 30 years before I got the MF towels. Your water spots are from the water not being removed quick enough. The tiny droplets dry very fast before the bigger ones. This will leave mineral spots (water spots). Left long enough, you will have to polish them off. One of the ways detail shops get pretty wash jobs is that they don't do them outside. The water will stay on the car longer (humid wash bays help too)before it starts to dry. A MF towel will absolutely dry a car in one pass with no time taken to have to wring out your chamois. Unless you are using a washing machine type of wringer, you are leaving the tail ends of your chamois wet. This too will put tiny drops of water back on your car as you drag the chamois over it. Couple all this with the fact that you really need to use a chamois conditioner every so often to keep the thing from losing all its oils over time. Ditch the chamois for car drying. Buy a good Big Towel (ask Nick T for a brand) and if you don't like it for drying, let me know and I will consider buying it from you. I like them that much.

02-26-2003, 01:13 AM
Thanks for the advice......any microfiber towel will do? I saw some at Walmart, but figured they were a cheap substitute for a chamio.... yeah, like I said, a beginner.

02-26-2003, 01:15 AM
1) Spend some time browsing the forum. Read some of the posts that may be of interest or application to your particular problem/situation. I'd look for posts about drying towels; CMA's <a href = "" target = "_new">Big Blue Drying Towel</a> is a revolutionary, incredible product that simply has no equal. I'll never go back to bath towels, chamois, waterblades, etc - it's one of the best detailing tools to ever have been invented.

2) Browse <a href = "" target = "_new">CMA's<a> website. They have lots of tips and tricks in each of the car care categories. For example, if you're looking at washing products, they'll have a whole section on proper wash techniques.

3) You might be interested in our has some good info about detailing (tips, tricks, techniques, tools, FAQ's - about 20+ pages worth) and info on 46 different waxes and their respective performances.

I'm sure that between those 3 resources, you'll be up and running in no time (and obsessed, broke, depressed b/c your car isn't as shiny as the "other guy on the net", etc like us....) :-D<br>


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02-26-2003, 01:17 AM
Scroll down a bit; we talked about MF quality a few days ago. Wal-Mart MF is to quality microfiber as Spam is to gourmet food. Just b/c they're both "foods" doesn't mean they're of the same quality.<br>


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02-26-2003, 09:07 AM

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02-26-2003, 02:45 PM
Another technique I picked up from this board that makes drying the car much, much easier, is to take the spray nozzle off the hose and let the water flow across the hood, top and trunk. It will pull much of the water with it, making drying a breeze.

02-27-2003, 12:56 AM
I went to the CMA site this morning and ordered a big blue towel, Maguiar's High Tech #26 ( to go on top of the Gold Class that I already put on) and the RaggTopp Cleaner and Protectant. Needless to say, I bookmarked the site. I took what you said about there being a big difference between the micro towels, and though it seems like a lot of money for a towel, decided, if I am going to do this right, I may as well get the right tools.
Is that a good choice, putting the #26 over the Gold Class? I live in Florida, so things can get pretty hot come summer, and I thought the Gold Class would make a good base.
Does the towel work well on glass too, or should I just stay with paper?
Thanks again.

02-27-2003, 12:58 AM
That is the way I wash the car, however, in Florida the humidity is often so high that drying is never a breeze. When I get my Big Blue, I hope it gets better. :)

02-27-2003, 01:51 AM
Regarding your wax questions, it's tough to say...Gold Class is a nice looking wax, but it's not incredibly durable (from my experience). It also has a tendency to stain plastic trim (that dreaded white)...

The #26 is a pretty durable product. It should be able to withstand the Florida temps without any distress - I think your combo is a good starting point, but you might consider dumping the Gold Class and going with a true cleaner/polish/wax combination...a full detail (semi-annual for me) might go like:

1) Wash
2) Clay
3) 3M Swirl Mark Remover (it's a good all-around cleaner, and isn't as abarasive as it sounds)
4) P21S Gloss Enhancing Paint Work Cleanser (your "polish")
5) Meguiar's #26 (wax)

Just some food for thought....

I think you're going to love your Big Blue towel - it will work great on glass, paint, etc. Just don't use it on your wheels; we'd hate to have the microfiber towel absorb and hold on to any metallic brake particles...

Finally, you might be interested in our report - it has 20+ pages of detailing tips/tricks/FAQs/info + in-depth reviews of over 46 different waxes.


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02-27-2003, 03:49 PM
As hcat7 said, a waffle weave MF towel is by far the best for drying, and a hot hood is the same as being in the sun. The Big Blue Towel is available from <A HREF= TARGET=new>CMA</A>, an identical towel is available from <A HREF= TARGET=new>PremiumAutoCare</A>, and a similar equal quality towel is available from <A HREF= TARGET=new>AutoGeek</A>.

<A HREF= TARGET=new>RaggTopp</A>, as well as many other cool things for your roadster, is available from <A HREF= TARGET=new>Z3Solutions</A>.

Itís best to hose down the already washed areas after finishing each section - keep the entire car wet, keeps down the evaporation.

As Steve said, get the <A HREF= TARGET=new>GuruReport</A>. Youíll learn a lot and same money too!
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02-27-2003, 03:53 PM
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