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david
04-25-2001, 11:53 PM
I just read this in the April edition of the Mdriver newsletter in the Owners Cirle section of the BMWNA website. It looks like everybody who is holding out for a V8 M3 in the US will have to settle for the 333hp I6 instead. The 4-litre V8 will not come to the US. Although there was no mention of a M5 5-litre V8. This is the direct quote from the newsletter:

"The second-most-asked question I hear also has to do with an
M3 engine – the V8 in the new M3 GTR race car competing in the
American Le Mans Series. As many of you know, Team BMW
Motorsport debuted the GTR and its 4-liter, 400+-horsepower V8
at Sebring a few weeks ago where it finished third in the GT class.
BMW of North America supported Prototype Technology Group
(PTG), who successfully campaigned M3s for six years, will have
its pair of GTRs ready, at the next U.S. race at Sears Point
Raceway in Sonoma, Calif., July 22. The GTR is designed specifi-cally
to help BMW in the battle against Porsche on the race track.
A street version of the V8-powered M3 is scheduled to be built to
comply with ACO regulations. However, due to the impossibility of
meeting U.S. safety and emissions standards, we will not be able
to offer the car for sale in North America."

david
04-25-2001, 11:58 PM
Mmotorsport BMW is fielding
two teams in the hotly
contested American
Le Mans Series for
sports and grand
touring cars. Team
BMW Motorsport, run
by the Schnitzer team
that successfully
campaigned the
BMW V12 LMR
sports cars in 1999
and 2000, and BMW
Team PTG will each
field a pair of M3
coupes in the fight for
GT class honors. The
Motorsport team
debuted the sensa-tional
M3 GTR at
Sebring a few weeks
ago. Driven by JJ
Lehto and Jörg
Müller, the 4-liter,
400+-horsepower,
V8-engined M3 fin-ished
third in the
GT class.
By the Sears Point,
Calif., race in July, all
four M3s will be V8
GTRs. In compliance
with ALMS regula-tions
established by
France’s Automobil
Club de l’Ouest
(A.C.O.), which also
organizes the 24
Hours of Le Mans,
BMW Motorsport will
offer the cars for sale
and supply is based
primarily on demand.
The cars will be
intended primarily for
customer racing.
Road-going GTRs will
not be sold in the
North American mar-ket
due to extensive
U.S. safety and emis-sions
standards.
Information about
these special M3s
will be released at a
later date.
Our M3 race driv-ers
are among the
best in the business.
Motorsport drivers
include Le Mans win-ners
JJ Lehto and
Jörg Müller along with
Fredrik Ekblom and
former Porsche driver
Dirk Müller. Driving for
PTG are veterans
Hans Stuck, Bill
Auberlen, Boris Said
and Niclas Jonsson.
Complete F1 and
ALMS schedules and
television information
are included in this
issue of Mdriver.

Peter G.
04-26-2001, 01:24 AM
Note that Salkowsky did NOT say that BMW would never offer any
V8-powered M3 in the United States... just that the ACO-spec 4L
V8 would not be offered here. BMW has never made a flat
statement ruling out a V8 in the M3, and until they do, I will
remain hopeful. :-)

gol9
04-26-2001, 05:23 AM

gol9
04-26-2001, 05:40 AM
We can't afford to lose more steering feel because of a heavier motor. You can't use bone-rattling spring rates on the street to make up for the extra front weight like they do on the GTR. BMW already tried a V8 in the production prototype.. it was the cheaper, easier thing to do, but wasn't necc. the right thing. Actually, I would rather have the E46 M3 weigh 2800 lbs and use a 300hp 2.5L I-4. That's the original spirit of the M3.. a lightweight sedan which can beat smaller sportscars on the track. E46 will never be the most powerful car on the road. There will always be some American car at half the price with more power.. so what's the point in having an ego about it. Those asking for V8's in an M3's should probably be looking at the M5, or perhaps a Viper. Besides, I think the I-6 M engine sounds better than the V-8, and the inline is the signature engine of the M-car (even M-1 had an I-6). If they went with a V6, then I'd really complain. why am i up so late typing this??

Mr. Grinch
04-26-2001, 06:25 AM
Ok, what we know is BMW plans to start delivering Valvetronic I4 V8 engines in the near future... the I4s are almost ready or out soon? Anyways, these are entirely new blocks... sharing little, if anything, from the old BMW engines, as I understand it.

So what's left? Well, we've got the old vanos equipped I6 and V8 engines. Some have proposed retrofit valvetronic on the I6, but there's a new 3 and 5 on the way, so I would suspect new i6 blocks, or, maybe something else, but not based on the older engines. If vanos equipped engines are on their way out, I would guess the M3 and M5 engines to be the last of the breed.

A replacement of the V8s across the entire range seems likely to come soon to me. But I'm just not sure what or when they plan to do with the I6s.

keith
04-26-2001, 06:54 AM
In the UK it has been reported in the motoring press that a V8 E46 will be produced, however this will fit between the 330 and M3...there has been no mention of an E46 M3 V8.

jonathan f
04-26-2001, 09:08 AM
not strictly true. Autocar mentioned a V8 M3 to comply with the racing rules but as I understand it this can be produced in as few as 200 to comply. Therefore this car is not going to be available in the usual sense. It will probably be left-hand drive and cost in excess of £90,000 which is just a tad more expensive than I can afford.

Bcar
04-26-2001, 09:10 AM

Sven
04-26-2001, 09:32 AM
...very well expressed...

def.con.one Racing
04-26-2001, 11:34 AM

JMS
04-26-2001, 05:20 PM


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