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06-25-2002, 01:39 PM
I'm considering trading or selling my 993 for an M3. I love the 993 but I just bought an S2K and I might supercharge it and lower it etc. So, I 'm thinking I want a more refined GT car. Don't get me wrong, the 993 is smooth, has adjustable suspension, and sounds great.

But the back seat is small and I feel like I'm in a sports car. This would be great if I hadn't just got out of the S2K as my daily driver. So, I was thinking I should get either an M3 or the new CLK 500 coming out. I'm leaning toward the M3 as I love torque as experienced in the Viper GTS and M Roadster that I've owned in past.

What do you think? Should I make the switch? BTW, I've attached pictures of my 993.

06-25-2002, 01:53 PM

06-25-2002, 01:54 PM
If you're looking for V8 or V10 torque, the M3 will disappoint you. The M3 and old M roadster probably have about equal torque/weight ratios, but the M3 makes it much further up the rev range, so you may even be disappointed comparing those two.

Then again, compared to the S2000, the M3 may feel torquey. Regardless, look towards Benzes if torque is a priority.

06-25-2002, 01:56 PM
downside to MB is the automatic. Are you saying the M3 feels slow down low?

06-25-2002, 01:58 PM

06-25-2002, 02:08 PM
I think you'll regret getting rid of that car in 5-10 years, shes such a beautiful piece of craftsmanship. Ill go with JR on this one, sell the S2K, S/C or turbo the 911.

06-25-2002, 02:08 PM

06-25-2002, 02:14 PM
43,900. It has 33K, disc changer, 18" SSR wheels, new S02 tires, adjustable shocks, b&b triflo mufflers, and is in perfect condition.

06-25-2002, 02:16 PM
doesn't snap your neck back, it likes to get above 5k or so before it really kicks you back. I came out of an Audi S4 with a chip and exhaust, and I could get that 'rush' at lower revs than I can in the M3, but the M3 for me was bought primarily because of driving on the track, and mostly puttering around town. This car comes alive at the track where you keep the revs up by choosing 2 or maybe 3 good gears depending upon the circuit. The local circuit for me (VIR) I do all in 3rd and 4th, and maybe a bit of 5th. The other consideration is how smooth and balanced the M3 feels, I've driven my fiance's 996 and I like the feel of the M3 much better.<br><img src="">

06-25-2002, 02:18 PM
and 2nd gear in a blink with massive wheelspin (if you want). I had a torquey S4 (chipped, 366 lbs./ft.) and I understand the torque vs. HP argument, but IMO the M3 is just plain fast as hell in all gears. Much quicker than a CLK500. However, I do not track my car.

06-25-2002, 02:22 PM

06-25-2002, 02:25 PM

06-25-2002, 02:27 PM
I saw your post, both coming out of tweaked S4s... :-)

I love the way the M3 feels, more 'complete' or 'right,out of the box',
balanced, raring to go (whether it knows it's going to the track or not),very balanced front-to-rear weight-wise, and (with my track wheel/tire setup and negative camber dialed in on the front) very neutral in steering (according to a friend who races in Grand Am Cup that went out with me last weekend braking in the track wheels and tires)<br><img src="">

06-25-2002, 02:36 PM
to slide, it slides so evenly and it's easy to control--unless it's a power oversteer, but I learned my lesson quickly on that one. I love tossing it through turns. And I have a lowly cab (with a strut brace). I'm planning on getting new shocks and springs or coilovers and going to a 245/f, 275/r setup.

06-25-2002, 02:39 PM
...I think the M3 feels slow below 4000rpm.

It all depends what you are used to. Coming from an MB/AMG V8, I definitely find the M3 lacking torque.

06-25-2002, 02:44 PM
CLK will be a cruiser.

Mercedes-Benz Mercedes CLK

From AutoCar

"As the temperature rises in the prestige coupé market, and Audi's stunning two-door A4 prepares to break cover, Mercedes is set to launch a devastating summer counter-offensive – the all-new CLK will arrive in showrooms in June. And if our exclusive test drive of the exciting four-seater near the firm's Stuttgart HQ is anything to go by, this time Mercedes has struck gold.

At the heart of the stylish newcomer is the C-Class's acclaimed rear-drive platform, which has so far spawned the Sports Coupé and the C-Class saloon and estate. It will also underpin the next SLK, due here in March 2004.

Unlike its smaller siblings, which are limited to four-cylinder petrol and diesel units, the CLK boasts seven engine options. These include two new 2.0-litre supercharged petrol four-cylinders, a 2.6 and a 3.2-litre V6, and a pair of V8s – a CLK 500 and a 367bhp CLK 55 AMG to rival Jaguar's XKR.

Of most interest to UK buyers – particularly in light of the recent company car tax laws – is the £29,685 270 CDi turbodiesel, out in December. With its swooping roofline and SL-inspired front-end styling, the CLK is probably the most desirable machine ever to drink from the black pump. Of particular note is the superb rear-end detailing and the absence of B-pillars, which gives the car a flowing, organic look with the windows down. Inside, the Mercedes tradition of sophisticated design and understated opulence continues. Even in the dubious cream and wood finish of our Elegance model (the more tasteful metallic Avantgarde trim is available at no extra cost), the cabin oozes style. And while there were signs of cost-cutting on our pre-production car – such as a wobbly glovebox and sunroof switch – the fit and finish is better than other C-Class variants'.

The platform's extra length is put to good use inside, freeing large amounts of rear leg and shoulder room for a coupé – not to mention a sizeable boot. However, six-footers will find the roofline a little close for comfort. As with all coupés, though, the CLK is primarily concerned with satisfying the needs of its pilot. The driver's seat is comfortable, low-slung and has a position to suit all sizes, while stereo and trip computer settings can be controlled via four easy-to-use buttons on the steering wheel.

Elegance and Avantgarde models are identically equipped, with climate control, seatbelt mounts which slide forwards when the door is opened, front, side and window airbags, ESP stability control and rain-sensing wipers as standard. Several hi-tech features from the S-Class are options, including Distronic radar-assisted cruise control, Linguatronic voice command and keyless entry and ignition.

The greatest attraction, however, is the 2.7-litre, five-cylinder, common-rail diesel engine – appearing in the CLK for the first time and the only such unit fitted to a prestige coupé. With 170bhp and 400Nm of torque on tap from 1,800rpm, the CDi offers a superb blend of mid-range muscle and flexibility.

Unlike many other Mercedes models, which suffer from a 'dead zone' in the first inch of throttle travel, the newcomer offers a linear, progressive power delivery and virtually no turbo lag. Combined with the smooth, responsive five-speed auto fitted to our test car – optional on the 270, but worth every penny in light of the standard manual's unpleasant shift action – this makes overtaking as instinctive as slipping on a pair of shoes.

Drivers used to the BMW 330Ci's razor-sharp dynamics might find the CLK lacking in involvement, however. The steering is a touch light at speed and doesn't turn the car into bends with the conviction of a true sports coupé. But the Merc grips well in corners and, with a rear track that's 10mm wider than the C-Class's, felt utterly stable at speeds of over 100mph on German autobahns. And barely a whisper of wind, road or engine noise invades the well insulated cabin. Keen drivers can also opt for a sports suspension pack, which tightens up the car's body control without compromising its remarkably supple ride. Euan Sey

Get an M3.

06-25-2002, 02:51 PM
I just bought the S2K. Look at the wheels I put on it. Now I'll lower it and perhaps SC.

Talk about lines. This little thing is simple and gorgeous and only produced at 6K per year in states.

I've attached a picture. Also a pic of when I had the NSX, 993, and my project 944 Turbo. I had some customer Kinesis Supercups on it and a custom silver paint job. Very classy beater car!!!

reg. narrow body wtih lip and spoiler, or C2 .Ed B
06-25-2002, 03:02 PM

Derek AMoroso/Formerly N- Demand
06-25-2002, 03:34 PM

06-25-2002, 03:58 PM
more unique. It's a Porsche, a classic, and perhaps the best looking non-turbo 911 ever. Looks like you're in a position to get whatever you want--have you considered the upcoming X50 911TT?

06-25-2002, 05:32 PM
Unless its a turbo, most after market exhausts that promise
power at the higher rpm range will sacrifice some low rpm torque.
Only forced induction (turbo or SC) can really benefit from the
lower resistance/ higher flow exhausts.

06-25-2002, 07:49 PM
Yes, the S4 (mine was chipped as well) had WAY more torque (about 370 lb/ft. at 1850 rpm!) but why are we all driving M3s now? .... :)

It is all about what YOU want.

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