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jason2
07-15-2002, 06:30 PM
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-Country where car is located
<b>US</b>
-Date of engine failure
<b>6/13/02</b>
-Production date
<b>12/01</b>
-Mileage
<b>4523 miles</b>
-VIN
<b>WBSBL93472JR14786</b>
-Transmission
<b>SMG</b>
-Dealership name
<b>BMW of Nashville, TN</b>
-Was 5w-30 oil ever used in the engine?
<b>No</b>
-Wait time for engine repairs
<b>7 Days</b>

My engine suffered the same fate as everyone else. The car started making a noise that sounded like a tappet or rod knock. The next day I brought it into the dealer it was Friday June 14th at 5pm. At first it seemed as though they didnít take me seriously but they sent the only mechanic still working with me to listen to the car. When we returned he confirmed my concerns. They told me to bring it back Monday morning, I did and they sent me out with a 330i loner. Later that day they called my office and said that they had spoken to BMW and they were going to air fright an engine in from Germany the next day. The car was ready Saturday.

I have no issues with the dealer they did a superb job, expedited the repair, and provided me with a very capable car to use while mine was being serviced. I do have some concerns related to the devaluation of my car now that it no longer has the original engine. According to the invoice it has a remanufactured engine. I have heard estimate of between 5 and 6 thousand dollars in decreased value do to this occurrence. I would be very interested to know if anyone can verify this. Of course the next question is what action is available to us who have suffered this fate. If you have an answer please let me know.

second thoughts
07-15-2002, 06:35 PM
Looks like BMW has found a use for the blown engines. Recycle them!

cjg54
07-15-2002, 08:03 PM
Why would the fact that a car has a "NEW" engine devalue it that much? If the engine has fewer miles on it, I could conceivably see it being worth more, not less, (assuming, of course, that it is installed properly).

Certainly, a car shouldn't take a 10% or more hit just because it has a brand new engine.

Just my $0.02. Take it for what it's worth.

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Craig

M3Fan
07-15-2002, 09:26 PM

Vector
07-15-2002, 09:33 PM
Hard to put a dollar amount to the depreciation (if any as I do see your point). But if I was a buyer of a very new M3 (with say 5k miles or so) I would probably look for another one if I knew it was remanufactured. However, if the car had 30k miles and a remanufactured engine was dropped in at that point, I would pay the asking price without hesitation or even slightly more.

Jason
07-15-2002, 09:49 PM
The wording is something like "major engine work done outside of the factory". Think of it like "not original paint" A car gets keyed and even if brand new body panels are used and a top notch paintjob is done the car still gets added depreciation even if it looks better than before. It's just the way it is in the car world. Now over time I suspect the depreciation difference for engine replaced M3s and those orignal will narrow. So the problem will only really affect those that don't plan to keep their car very long. Here are a few first hand accounts on this topic:


<a href="http://www.bm3w.co.uk/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=002216#000010">http://www.bm3w.co.uk/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=002216#000010</a>

<a href="http://forums.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/e46m3/forum.php?postid=411863&page=10">http://forums.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/e46m3/forum.php?postid=411863&page=10</a>

Jason
07-15-2002, 09:52 PM
dang enter key...why does it sometimes give a carriage return and others send the post? anyways 1 more link....


<a href="http://forums.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/e46m3/forum.php?postid=411982&page=10">http://forums.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/e46m3/forum.php?postid=411982&page=10</a>

cjg54
07-15-2002, 10:05 PM
Certainly, if I were in a situation where my engine needed to be replaced, I would be speculating that the value of my car might depreciate. However, this needs to be percieved from the perspective of a potential buyer. If I'm considering the purchase of a "used" M3, and said M3 has a new engine installed at, say, 5k miles, I'm more likely to give this car serious consideration than if it had the original engine _especially_ if I know it's an 11/01 build.

I am reluctant to believe it will have this serious an impact on the long term value of the car. I could be wrong, (it's happened before.) But, in this case, I just don't see the inherent logic.

Craig

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Jason
07-15-2002, 10:26 PM
Not speculation, Peter confirmed this with 3 dealers. Now that's on a trade-in situation so obviously selling private party can be a different story. But personally I would only take an engine replaced car if an added discount was offered.

-The devlautaion of my car due to the fact that an engine was replaced this early in its life, outside the factory <b>(confirmed by 3 dealers when i tried selling my ///M3 after the engine replacement. Trackable by VIN# roughly $4000 additional depreciation)</b>

spookm3
07-15-2002, 11:15 PM
...dealers will obviously use any tactic possible to devalue a car.

I agree with Craig...the motors are remanufactured by the factory, so values should be the same or higher. Similarly, if the car was repainted by the factory after being keyed, there would be no loss in value.

WFBMWM3
07-16-2002, 12:23 AM
Recycle program - second thoughts 2002-07-15 18:35:36


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Frankly, I'm surprised that the depreciation is only in the ranges being discussed.
I personally, wouldn't consider one of these cars for so many reasons that it would take more typing than I'm willing to do.
Some are emotional, most are mechanical.
I can only imagine trying to explain, to a potential buyer, that "remanufactured" engine receipt in the records.
These cars are so new and so expensive that I wouldn't consider $4,000 to $6,000 as anything of a discount - I'd find one that hadn't gone through all that's involved and potentially goofed up as they gutted out the engine bay to install a "redone" engine.
As to them being covered by warranty - what a joke. The moment these cars hit 50,000 miles, that's over and done with.
If you don't intend to keep it past 50,000, go for it and I wish you luck.
You may need more than luck to sell it.
If you intend to keep it beyond the warranty, you are totally depending on some goodwill deal from BMW that doesn't exist to my knowledge.
I have rebuilt engines in the past and helped friends do the same. I know all of the technical "good as new" claims.
Many are even true, but if you end up in a conversation with MOST potential buyers, they will be spooked. Too much explaining and you will be on the defensive. Not a whole lot of leverage.
Most people don't want to hear how F1 engines and the like are rebuilt to new all the time. They simply can't identify with that. These are damaged goods and that's the premise the seller will have to deal with.
This is only my opinion, but I could be right. :)


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