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07-16-2002, 01:37 PM
when he is not on duty, can he just wave his badge with a little chat and gets off?

07-16-2002, 01:40 PM

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07-16-2002, 01:48 PM
harmless 'perks'. Does it give cops a pass they shouldn't get? Sure, but cops take care of many things that I'd rather not have to worry about, and for me, that's fine. I've only been pulled over once where I didn't know/think I was speeding, and I didn't get a ticket then. The other times, it's a toss-up, so I suppose I get my fair share.

07-16-2002, 01:48 PM
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07-16-2002, 02:01 PM
I got this non-paid Governor appointed commission to get around the laws in SC so I could own a legally registered machinegun. Anytime I got pulled over, they would let me go after seeing me pull my drivers license out of my badge case.

07-16-2002, 02:03 PM
It's always up to the cop doing the stopping. Usually, profession courtesy prevails. The general idea is to casually, not overtly, identify yourself a law enforcement officer. The one doing the stopping usually says "you know better" and sends the off-duty cop on their way.

However, I heard a story of a fued the went on between Maryland State Troopers and Prince Georges County back in the 70's, if I'm not mistaken. One cop didn't afford the other cop professional courtesy I suppose and it escalated from there. However, I heard this from a Laurel city (a town in PG Co.) cop. It may just be an urban legend.

07-16-2002, 02:03 PM

07-16-2002, 02:15 PM

Mr. Grinch
07-16-2002, 02:16 PM

07-16-2002, 02:21 PM
I ended up buying several. An Uzi w/ Silencer, a Mac10 .45ACP w/ Silencer and a M-16. The Mac10 was incredible with a cyclic rate 1200RPM and since the .45ACP is a subsonic round, it was very quiet. I had to sell them when I moved to CA a few years ago since CA doesn't allow machinegun ownership for private citizens.

07-16-2002, 02:34 PM
There is a machinegun store on South Congress St. (Austin) called "Just Guns". I was there in March and he had about 20 machineguns for sale including a .50 cal M2 Browning heavy machinegun, M60 7.62 Nato Belt-fed, 20MM Lahti Anti-tank gun from WWII and numerous other subguns (uzi's, macs, S&W Model 76). The Lahti 20MM really caught my interest. It's a 10 round semi-auto, 20MM explosive round (same round the modern jets fire at tanks in a minigun), weighs 110 lbs and is about 7ft in length. Yes you can own one in Texas! The Llati came with 80 rounds of ammo, the original wooden shipping crate and 10 spare magazine. It sells for about $8000 and can be seen at the Just Guns shop if you're bored and want to see a real piece of history.

07-16-2002, 03:00 PM
Seems like a high cyclic rate and a short barrel could make it tough to handle.

07-16-2002, 03:02 PM
you need a pretty special license to get this kind of hardware. From what I've heard part of getting this license involves sacrificing your protection from illegal search. In other words, the ATF can search your house any time, for any reason.

07-16-2002, 03:29 PM
The ATF can already search your house for any reason at any time, but being registered puts you on their 'hassle' list.


07-16-2002, 05:13 PM

07-16-2002, 05:58 PM
Because you grab the suppressor with your left hand (if you're RH). It it kinda hard to control w/o the suppressor. You just gotta make sure your fingers don't get in front of the barrel. That could be a big ouchie! :) As far as aiming goes, this is a close range (like under 50ft.) weapon. The sight is adjustable by bending a piece of metal with pliers. When in full-auto mode, you cannot fire less than 4 rounds because it shoots so fast it will shoot 4 if you pull the trigger quick and release it. As a reference point, an experienced operator can dump a 30 round magazine into a man size target and get every round into the chest area at about 50 ft. This is using the suppressor. W/O the suppessor, reduce that range to about 15 ft. It will fire 30 rounds 1.5 seconds and fires from an open bolt.

07-16-2002, 06:11 PM
during business hours and check on the weapon to ensure it is still in your possession. They cannot search without a warrant just because you own a Form 4 weapon. The weapon must always remain in the control of the person that was issued the permit to purchase it. The ATF never came by my house in 15 years or even called. To purchase a Class III/Form 4 machinegun, you must first get form approval to purchase the weapon from the county sheriff, then get state approval, then you send in $200 to the BATF with a completed Form 4 along with the forms showing sheriff and state approval and you'll get permission to purchase that one weapon. You have to do this for each weapon and it's $200 transfer tax everytime. The $200 tax has been unchanged since 1934. If you add a silencer to the weapon, it's the same process and another $200 unless the silencer is permanently made into the weapon. Anyone in Texas (and many other states)can own a machinegun if they have a clean record and is over 21 years old.

07-16-2002, 06:14 PM
runs arounds hassling everyone. The people that get hassled are the ones that try to live on the edge of the law and exploit loopholes in the firarms laws. If you are an honest citizen and follow the law, the ATF will never bother you if you own a machinegun.

07-16-2002, 09:35 PM

07-16-2002, 10:04 PM
I was involved in an auto accident December of last year. I made a left turn and slammed into an Explorer driving at 8:40 PM without headlights on. The vehicle was moving so fast is spun and flipped, then righted and slammed into a lamppost before coming to a stop. I saw the guy throw what turned out to be a bag with a sixpack of Miller lite bottles out the window. He had his 6 year old son in the vehicle, no child seat. Two city cops came and took our statements.
The outcome? No field sobriety test for the guy, no ticket for driving without headlights, despite an independant witness who backed up my story, and the cops even checked to see if his lights were off. No ticket for the lack of a child seat (serious violation in Florida). I got a ticket for failure to yield right of way (to what was basically an invisible vehicle). Why?
The SUV driver was an off-duty sheriff's deputy.

Of course, I hired a bloodthirsty lawyer who absolutely embarrassed the cops on the stand. He had one cop so fired up the guy was hyperventilating.

$1100 dollars in legal fees, $12000 in damage to my M3, over $1500 in rental car costs, and a $36000 settlement to the guy for rotator cuff surgery because they were afraid I might lose the case because of the way the law was written (the guy making the turn is automatically wrong). Oh yeah, he probably got hurt playing softball later and blamed it on me... when he got out of the SUV after the accident, he put his arms up over his head - his elbows were over the top of his head with his forearms bent back. Basically impossible to do with a torn rotator cuff.

Thinking about suing the city and the county for this one...

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