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Albert
11-11-2002, 03:40 PM
From the wheelpower website...

Albert
11-11-2002, 03:41 PM

zapper
11-11-2002, 03:52 PM

KJ
11-11-2002, 04:28 PM
The guy on here that got suckered into buying one didn't even get a full refund. From the sound of it, he got next to nothing for the return of the intake and ECU.

Furthermore, the "Carbon Fibre" intake is only ONE layer of Carbon Fibre on the TOP ONLY. The rest of the intake is made out of fiberglass.

They aren't really standing behind their product. If they stood behind their product, they would've offered a full refund.

It makes sense that they released that "news" because I'm SURE no one in North America would buy that rip-off kit after reading the review. In my opinion, they are doing "Damage Control", NOT "Standing Behind Their Product".

zapper
11-11-2002, 04:48 PM
with the second version of their software and help the kit make the power they claim. To me that is them trying to resolve the issues present with their products and thus standing behind them.

It sounds beliveable that US car might react differently to tuning then their Euro cousins, and I believe that Hamann should get a chance to fix their "mistake" and if they are still unable to get their claimed hp increase then they should offer a full refund to everyone involved.

StMedina
11-11-2002, 04:53 PM
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KJ
11-11-2002, 04:56 PM
The "review" posted here talked about a significant LOSS of power over STOCK! After getting his ECU retuned, it made almost as much power as stock at higher RPM's, but made less HP than stock below 5500rpm.

I SERIOUSLY doubt new engine software will yield 50+ HP. It sounds like even more BS than Hamann claimed initially!

Here's the review in case you missed it the first time:

StMedina
11-11-2002, 05:10 PM
not with just an airbox and a software upgrade.....its gonna take work to the crank, piston, heads....etc...the whole internals of the engine to get 50 hp out......and it won't be cheap....

Nowack, bumped up HP to 400 N/A.....basically carved the engine up....major surgery....and car has to be sent to Germany..

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dave01m3
11-11-2002, 05:27 PM
even the BMW CSL with its reworked ECU and Plenum and a upgrade of the muffler netted only 353hp. Dave.

StoneWalk
11-11-2002, 06:15 PM
We've been saying that many tuners are wildly exaggerating their S54 hp gains for a long time.

I see this as a grudging acceptance from Hamann of the reality that their marketing folks were way ahead of what the product could deliver. It's not making +50 hp in Euro trim either. Not even close. At best they might get a fraction of that gain, and most of it will come from using 100 octane race fuel which will give you solid improvements over 92 pump gas in a completely stock M3.

This press release is damage control. They are covering the big lie about their hp gains by asserting the smaller lie that only the US version is missing the 50 hp gain and they'll fix it. This buys them time. They may indeed come out with a new version. It still won't put out +50 hp to a stock S54 on any kind of apples to apples test - same fuel, same test conditions.

If you want a _real_ 380 hp (92 octane pump fuel) motor, you go to Nowack and have him spend ~$15k rebuilding the entire inside of your motor, raising the rev limit 400 rpm, increase the compression ratio a bunch, and blueprint or modify essentially every important _internal_ engine part. Result is plus 37 hp on a euro-trim motor. Same motor will run about 400 hp on race fuel, but 380 hp is the correct apples-to-apples number, which Nowack is honest enough to provide in the detail information of his upgrade.
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Bcar
11-11-2002, 07:40 PM

Bcar
11-11-2002, 07:47 PM

CBsaksiri
11-11-2002, 07:53 PM
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