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M3_Buyer
01-23-2003, 12:19 PM
I am considering the purchase of a 2003 M3, but have one hesitation that I am hoping some of you can weigh-in on:

I learned the hard way that our 5 series with sport package is horrible in the snow, even a light dusting of snow. I've found myself stuck while the oldest, nastiest (front-wheel drive) Kias and Pintos are rolling by without any problems.

I live in the Northeast and intend to use the M3 as an everyday driving vehicle, and am concerned that this snow problem could be even worse with the M3, with its tires and seriously increased power.

Clearly, I am not a pure auto enthusiast (or I wouldn't even be asking such a practical question) and am not interested in comments about poor winter driving skills, but would like to hear from anyone with an opinion on this issue and whether or not the M3 needs to be garaged for much of the winter. Thanks.

Jason
01-23-2003, 12:24 PM
Get a set of 17" Blizzak WS-50s and you'll be fine

<a href="http://forums.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/e46m3/forum.php?postid=677791&page=1">http://forums.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/e46m3/forum.php?postid=677791&page=1</a>

Dave@Columbia
01-23-2003, 12:24 PM
I live in NY and when it snows, the M3 (without snows) slips and slides and I have a grand old time...But I also have other cars, so the M3 is more of a treat rather than a necessity...

dabadboy
01-23-2003, 12:25 PM
This goes for most cars anyways.. the M3 comes with High Perf tires meant for maximum traction on bare cement/asphalt.. as soon as you get snow.. 1\", .5\".. you will have NO TRACTION.. you\'d have to be pretty gutsy to get out in even light snow.... If you can afford an M3 you can also afford to spend 1500$ on a set of 15\",16\" on winter tires.... If you play roullette and crash the car on a snowy day using High Perf Tires.. insurance won\'t cover you... If u get snow tires the M3 is as good as any car..<br><p>
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Nick B.
01-23-2003, 12:28 PM
If you get proper winter tires (the narrower, the better), put a couple of hundred pounds of sand in the trunk, and slow down to a reasonable speed - you should be fine.

Modern day electronics help some, but common sense is even better, and doesn't cost a cent.

If it snows a lot, stay home - what is so important that must get done during a blizzard?

It is still NOT an Audi Quattro, so do not expect miracles.

Jason
01-23-2003, 12:30 PM
Not saying I think people should drive in the snow without snow tires but MHM3(?) (aka ImolaCab23) got caught in a snowstorm without snows, skidded off the road and his insurance is covering the repairs.

Also, you can't get 15" or 16" snows on the M3, the wheels won't clear the brakes. 17" is the smallest.

motorsport3
01-23-2003, 12:30 PM
Although NYC doesn't get a lot of snow, we've received our share this winter. The car doesn't do well in any sort of snow. I'll only drive it when there is no snow on the ground and there is no forecast for snow. Unfortunately, I did have to drive on Christmas when it snowed about 6 inches and the car was all over the place. Luckily I only had to drive about 3 miles but I never went faster than 15 mph. I have heard a lot of success stories with Winter Packages from Tire Rack but for me, the M3 is just a weekend car so I decided against getting a Winter Package. I can always get where I need to go some other way.

dabadboy
01-23-2003, 12:33 PM
that is.. if you are using High Perform wheels in snow and fly of the road you are not covered... It makes sense to me...<br><p>
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Jason
01-23-2003, 12:36 PM
You could drive loaded up on cocaine and total your car and the insurance will play the bill. :)

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01-23-2003, 12:38 PM

CBsaksiri
01-23-2003, 12:39 PM
they just have a set of snow wheels/tires.

i think the 330 sport pkg wheels would make great snow wheels.<br>
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alexaqui
01-23-2003, 12:40 PM
I bought a 4Runner to drive in the nasty, yucky, salty stuff. That's what its for. My M3 sits in the garage on the garbage days, but gets plenty of use and enjoyment on the nicer days. The amount of abuse my 4runner has taken in the 2.5 weeks that I've owned it is amazing. I wouldn't subject my m3 to what I do to the suv...

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01-23-2003, 12:40 PM
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01-23-2003, 12:41 PM
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01-23-2003, 12:44 PM
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Jason
01-23-2003, 12:47 PM

Nick B.
01-23-2003, 12:57 PM

M3_Buyer
01-23-2003, 12:57 PM
Gents,

Thanks for the quick responses - very helpful.

and hit someone, you're not covered - Nick B.
01-23-2003, 12:59 PM
Never mind being drunk - nothing gets covered then, except the third party.

new 5 series
01-23-2003, 01:01 PM
its supposed to have a 4 wheel drive option

WinterM3
01-23-2003, 01:31 PM
And more fun too. I put 245's all around on extra set of stock RIMS

kmurph
01-23-2003, 01:36 PM
This is my second RWD car (last one was a 328is) - With snow tires, traction control and ABS, my car is better than my Integra GS-R was in the snow (had high perfomance all season tires). The only time I have a problem is when starting from a dead stop on a steep hill in deep snow. Like someone said previously...It's All in the Tires"...tires are SO important! Imagine playing football or some other sport on a slick, muddy field in leather sole dress shoes...that what it would be like trying to drive in the snow with max performance tires.<br>

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pirelli winter 210's(great tires).......arig
01-23-2003, 01:38 PM

HomerS
01-23-2003, 01:43 PM
in a predictable sort of way. We don't have prolonged winters where I live but if we did I'd get snow tires. Have you considered a 330ix?

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01-23-2003, 01:48 PM

Jason
01-23-2003, 01:49 PM
If you don't even use snow tires like you've said how could you comment on it's snow abilities??

Just for reference (thanks to MHM3 for the link :)) My area has received the most snow in the country this year and i've been fine with q-rated Blizzaks.

<a href="http://1010wins.com/topstories/local_story_023075650.html">http://1010wins.com/topstories/local_story_023075650.html</a>

HomerS
01-23-2003, 02:04 PM
bed today? Lighten up. What I said is that the car is a bit loose in snow. We do get snow here and I have driven in it. My car is a daily driver. When I have driven in it I have found that it is extremely easy to get the back end to step out and in fact after awhile (meaning once I stopped scaring myself) I started finding that the point at which it would step out was pretty predictable. Snow tends to pretty much dissappear here in a day or two and it's been I light winter so I haven't bothered to get snow tires but if things had gotten like when I used to lived in Chicago I would have definitely put some snow tires on the car or I would have looked harder for a winter beatermobile. I mentioned the 330ix as I looked at getting it pretty hard when I was looking at the M3 but, for me, the steering lacked the M edge.

Jason
01-23-2003, 02:19 PM
wasn't a flame just an honest observation. Again though, as several of us have been trying to say in this thread, tires completely change the M3 in the snow (or any car for that matter). So your comments that "it is extremely easy to get the back end to step out" don't pertain to using snow tires which is the only smart way to use this car in the winter.

M3CABSMG
01-23-2003, 04:24 PM
I tried the other day mine (with summer 275/30/19" tires) up our private road which had slightly melting snow (not that fresh one which is less skiddy).

My 6 years old son was also with me and to our surprise half way up the slope (fairly steep) the car started skidding (ACS came on) but the electronics did the job in an amazing way. Felt like the earthquake ride in Universal Studios, but we got all the way up. I was very impressed. I am sure that with good snow tires and maybe 50 kg weight in the boot on the back axel you will have no problem at all.

Have fun
Nader
M3 Cab, SMG and still 39ppm of lead !

hollysmac
01-23-2003, 04:25 PM


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