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Corvette77
02-25-2003, 07:03 PM
As far as build quality, would you agree that Lexus has caught up or even passed some european car companies.

StoneWalk
02-25-2003, 07:04 PM

Corvette77
02-25-2003, 07:08 PM
build. The lexus may have cheaper compnents but you cant tell because its so well put together. I was sitting in a 2003 s class and seemed the money went to technology instead of spending some more extratime on thicker wood and thicker doors.

Vancouver Beemerboy
02-25-2003, 07:09 PM
cars and the last GS430 I was in was little plastic rich for my liking.. great ride , soooo smooth and structurally feels like a vault.. but buttons and knobs still look japanese to me.. not sure about the newest lexus's... I don't they they are better

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02-25-2003, 07:16 PM
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CBsaksiri
02-25-2003, 07:29 PM
the cars are solid as hell... but the way the interior works, the ride quality, the sound insulation... lexus took those things to a different level. the first LS400 was hailed because of its poshness and smoothness... you can see Mercedes' efforts in this area when you compare the W124 E-class (87-95) vs the W210 E-class (next one after).<br>
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Corvette77
02-25-2003, 07:30 PM
were just awesome. So was the one before it. Now it seems like quality is the price for quantity.

StoneWalk
02-25-2003, 07:33 PM
Actaully, MB has gone downhill in materials too in the last 10 years or so.

But the question asked was build quality. How well the car is put together. On that front, Lexus trumped MB in the early 1990's and never looked back. Up until that point, MB was indeed the gold standard for mass market car build quality.
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ChrisMeyer
02-25-2003, 07:54 PM
runs like a tank, no problems yet, same with my Maxima 135K miles and all I have dones is oil, brakes and tires. Japanese cars are the creme de la creme for build quality.
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02-25-2003, 08:24 PM
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lincoln30
02-25-2003, 09:41 PM
MB used to test everything for 5 years (or something insane like that) and who knows how many miles. But with increased competition from car makers who change the model every 3 years and quicker then 3 year development time all that MB testing had to be shelved for a modern way of conducting business, which is more computer modeling and less car modeling and testing. I think the last generation SL was the last car MB designed the "old" way.

So the Japanese are beating the Germans at their own game and in some cases helping the germans learn the new game (see Porsche). Some day Toyota might figure out how to put some "soul" into their vehicles and then MB and BMW will be in big trouble. Just remember the one thing the Japanese manufacturers have done a very good job of doing and it probably saves them huge R&D dollars is being copy-cats. Without the "benchmark" cars to copy (and improve upon) the Lexuses of the world would probably cost alot more. <br>For Sale: 2001 M3 Coupe (see link for more info)
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steel
02-26-2003, 01:03 AM
Toyota does a very good job of confusing the issue of build quality and quality built. Door seals, hinges and sound deadening material can make a car "feel" solidly built; and attentive staffs make JD Power happy. Don't be fooled, a 20 year old MB is still a decent, safe, reliable car; a 20 year old Lexus is, well... you don't see many of those do you?

Hota
02-26-2003, 01:16 AM
The quality and efficiency all other car companies measure themselves against.

steel
02-26-2003, 01:25 AM
is that they actually build what they design; has nothing to do with how well the car is built. It's a measure of speed and defects - you can build a Yugo to the Toyota Production System and you have a correctly built POS.

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02-26-2003, 03:54 PM
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