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06-15-2003, 02:32 PM
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06-15-2003, 03:25 PM

06-16-2003, 09:01 AM

06-16-2003, 09:52 AM
...a new development. ;-)

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06-16-2003, 02:32 PM
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Colin in Belleville, IL
06-16-2003, 02:36 PM
..If I do like the rest of the vehicle. Did you notice they have covered up some of the lines to change the look on a dark vehicle.

Man, I can't wait.

06-16-2003, 03:15 PM

06-16-2003, 03:36 PM

06-16-2003, 04:04 PM
Look closely,

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IMO, that's NOT a conventional ragtop; it's a folding hardtop with canvas camouflage. Of particular interest are:

1. Recessed backlight;
2. Shutline that continues from trunklid to 'C pillar'; &
3. Seemingly lack of support 'ribs' that you'd expect a ragtop to have.

Take a look at some of the older E64 spy pics - some of which I posted below - and judge for yourself. they look kinda odd to me.

I'm also thinking that it's a further example of remarkable clear thinking by Messrs. Bangle & van Hooydonk. With the E64, we can now see the design themes that led to the Z9. A folding hardtop makes so much sense here! The hardtop, when stowed in the raised 'Bangle-Butt', will still leave sufficient trunk capacity for a couple of golf bags (Take that, M-B!). All the better for aerodynamics too! Kewl!

06-16-2003, 04:29 PM

06-16-2003, 04:43 PM

06-16-2003, 04:44 PM
as stated by the bmw marketing director at the bmwcca meeting.

06-16-2003, 04:48 PM

06-16-2003, 06:41 PM
I dunno how the BMW NA type could explain the spy pics then, but thanks for reflecting.

<font color= gray>No folding hard top for atleast 3 - 4+ years</font>

Do you recall the <u>exact</u> wording & context? I just ask because, as we all know, BMW can be masters at semantics when they don't want to reveal what they're really up to.

From the timeframe you indicated, that would imply 4 Series' Cabrio, agreed? Well, wouldn't the 6er (E64) look weird if a lower series had it and it didn't?

06-16-2003, 06:49 PM

06-16-2003, 08:05 PM
from their minds, but yeah, who knows what they're going to do. The guy was mostly focused on all the new model launches and stuff this comming year. He called it their "product offensive".

.......WAKE UP BOY
06-16-2003, 09:24 PM

Mr. Snake
06-16-2003, 09:35 PM
Bangle butt = No Sale.

06-16-2003, 11:20 PM
...might otherwise buy an Infinity or some other car garbage with no soul. Bangle is taking BMW into a deep hell comprised of cheap designs with limited imagination (merely stolen designs mixed in a format undescernible to the untrained eye). Shall I break it down:
OK here goes-

1. Porsche 993 (with turbo wing) copycat rear cosmetic design and cosmetic exhaust pipe placement
2. Nissan 300ZX 1989-1998 side and front lines.
3. Aston Martin-ish 1/4 view from ground level.
4. Toyota Celica 1992-? convertible top and glass shape.

I can't believe the BMW brass has sold out like this, maybe if Panke had some ba#ls and some class this crap would be with held from the new but*ho*le designers.

Oh yeah, now BMW is making a factory in China? What the *&@^? Sell outs.

It's the biggest friggin joke, and will not be around in the numbers the classics (E24, 507, CS and CSi Coupe) are. Plastic just doesn't last that long.

Am I bitter, well somewhat, aren't you?

06-17-2003, 05:07 AM

06-17-2003, 05:31 PM
...back when the E85 config was speculated upon, ~2-3 years ago, there was talk of <i>it</i> getting a folding hardtop - to compete with SLK. Seems plausible, enough, no? At that time, IIRC, Dr. Goeschel told <i>AutoWeek</i>, something to the effect that all future BMW cabrio's would have it, beginning with the E64. Then, the focus was on the E85.

Since then, however, I concur, there has been alot of noise concerning the E64 NOT getting it. Okay. Maybe they changed their minds, who knows?!

OTOH, there's a new development in the marketplace. The French makers & Nissan (Renault) are coming out with folding hardtops for their lower end models, in the ~$20-$25K range! I'm sure we both can predict the gripes we'd hear if the E64 has a normal ragtop. Well, probably about the same as Z3ers and, possibly, Z8ers not having a glass backlight.

Most recently, the 4 June 2003 issue of <i>Autocar</i>, page 21 (accompanying spy pics of the E90 Touring), said this [embolden added]:

<i>"The Coupe version arrives in late 2006, alongside BMW's first coupe/cabrio <b>- the firm has already registered its own folding roof design with the Munich patent office."</b></i>

06-18-2003, 08:28 AM

06-18-2003, 09:28 AM
Perhaps, exactly what the BMW guy was talking about, 2007 is a good 4 years away, the 7 series will need ot be replaced completely by then. As he said 3 - 4 years.. which checks out with what the article said.

In 2007 though the 6 series will be due for its midlife facelift so perhaps during that period bmw will make a folding hardtop available.

Seems to make sense :)


06-18-2003, 09:38 AM
Just one thing, tho. It'd be a little curious for BMW, given their <i>modus operandi</i>, to let a lower series model, in this case a 4er, have a dramatic new feature <u>before</u> a higher series model, 6er, is scheduled to. Ordinarily (but not always, I agree), they have such new technology/features trickle *down*, not *up*. Ya know what I mean?

06-18-2003, 01:16 PM

06-20-2003, 12:50 PM
start making the E24 again? But moderize it. Then I think people would actually consider buying it. its just terrible looking it doesnt retain the classis lines of all the past BMW models. The last good looking 7 was the E38 IMO and the E39 5 series will be the alst good looking 5.

06-25-2003, 04:57 PM
I like that Bently next to it instead...

06-27-2003, 10:54 PM
I can tell you're an enthusiast, but remember these cars are mock-up prototypes under disguise. Wait until we get some factory released photos and then let it rip.

I'm banking on BMW to pull through on the 6, but if they don't, hello Carrera.

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