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mmukalian
06-26-2003, 12:31 PM
First off...search sucks here.

OK, now that that inner child was allowed out for a few...what do you folks use for washing/waxing your car? Brands, and such? And how often do you wax?

Also, for all you daily/year-round drivers...tips/advice on how you prep/keep up your car during the winter months'd be excellente`.

Thankees

jb12272
06-26-2003, 12:34 PM
Not sure how much information is there but there is an entire fourm on the issue on bimmerfourms.com.

trube78
06-26-2003, 12:42 PM

cohenfive
06-26-2003, 12:44 PM

Caligula66
06-26-2003, 12:57 PM

darkjay
06-26-2003, 12:57 PM
brush (the big one for the paint and the small one for the rims). Griot's SpeedShine and microfiber towels in-between washings and whenever there's a bird doo doo on the paint.

And before today, I've used Griot's wax but it's too much of a pain to use it every weekend. The bottle is almost empty so it's time for me to start experimenting with different waxes. But my main criteria is speed of application since I'll be waxing every two weeks anyway so that eliminates Zaino for me.

I ordered Klasse All-In-One and Sealant Glaze and should arrrive today. I'll try it tomorrow. Next one will be Blackfire.

And a chamois to dry the car.

Here's something to get you started:
<a href="http://www.griotsgarage.com">http://www.griotsgarage.com</a>

item #66073, 11102, 11001, 11144, 92546, 11101, 11171

Bought Klasse from board sponsor:
<a href="http://www.properautocare.com">http://www.properautocare.com</a>

And here's how it should look like on a typical weekend of 1 hour washing and 5+ hours of waxing:
<a href="http://web.njit.edu/~nrv1634/m3/">http://web.njit.edu/~nrv1634/m3/</a>

Did I scare you yet? Hey, you bought a black car. It'll be hell to keep it clean :) Good luck on the new car.
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mmukalian
06-26-2003, 01:03 PM
Humor on this 100 degree day...love it...but it's too hot to even laugh ;)

AEsco48
06-26-2003, 01:04 PM
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bimmerM3
06-26-2003, 01:16 PM
I wax it before every meet! In order for Zaino too look its best it needs at least two coats. Just get the whole zaino set, nothing is redundant. Except for maybe the tire shine (the best tire shine is made by Turtle Wax, you just spray it on and you are done!!)

I live in the Bay Area, so winter elements are not really an issue---except for rain. if you just wash your car about once a week. <br><hr><table border="0"><tr><td><img src="http://members.roadfly.com/bimmerm3/lesig.jpg" width="500" height="200"></TD><td align="center"><strong><b>bimmer ///M3</b></strong><b><br><font size="-1">2002 Steel Grey ///M3 Convertible</font><font size="-2">AC Schnitzer Aluminum Pedals<br>Umnitza GenV Angel Eyes<br>Custom Switch Panel<br>Valentine 1 Hardwire<br>SilverVision Turn Signals (Red In Rear)<br>H7 Hyperwhite Fogs, Low & High Beams<br>BBS CH Wheels With Custom Satin Finish<br>--Tire Sizes: Front 255/35-19, Rear 285/30-19</b></font></td></tr></table>

KEF
06-26-2003, 01:18 PM
It's the great debate between Brazilian Ivory Carnauba (insert any Carnauba like P21S, Souverän, etc) or the polymer or acrylic formulas.

I prefer Carnauba because longevity isn't an issue for me and it really makes CB look "wet", and it is simple to apply and remove. I've heard good things about P21S Carnauba Wax as well, but I've not used it.

Others live and die by Zaino, Blackfire also has a following here.

If you have any specific questions, just ask.

Cheers,
Keith


<a href="http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/e46m3/forum.php?postid=3161444&page=1">Carnauba or Polymer / Acrylic ???</a><br>
2003 CB M3 \ Cleveland, Ohio
Go Buckeyes!

Brian368s1711
06-26-2003, 01:53 PM

eatapc
06-26-2003, 02:05 PM
Klasse All-In-One is the one thing you\'ll need. OK, Klasse All-In-One and some microfiber towels are the two things you\'ll need. Well, Klasse All-In-One, some microfiber towels and a detail spray like Sonus are the three things you\'ll need. Actually, Klasse All-In-One, some microfiber towels, a detail spray line Sonus and a Cal Duster are the four things you\'ll need. To be honest ... Oh, nevermind.

Two wax tests online:

http://www.deckowski.com/wax%20off/greatwaxoffintro.htm

http://www.nsxsc.com/nsexcitement/waxtest.html<br><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Charcoal'>10/01 Jet Black SMG coupe, New Jersey, exit 50B</span></p>

mpowerme
06-26-2003, 02:36 PM
Make sure to get the new ZFX agent<br>///MPowerMe

kmurph
06-26-2003, 02:42 PM
I've been using Klasse AIO/KLasse SG followed by P21S Carnauba Wax...great combo - nothing like a mirror-like shine with a lot of depth...




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cohenfive
06-26-2003, 05:27 PM
just started using it on my m5 about a month ago and can't see ever using anything else. it depends on how much time you want to spend on the car. i prefer to drive, ride my mtn bike, and play with the kids to spending hours and hours fretting over whether to put a fifth coat of stuff on the car. i spend 90 minutes washing (with megiuar's gold car wash soap), drying and then waxing with klasse (the easiest stuff i've ever used, makes waxing a car fun instead of hours of hard work) and i'm done. the car looks better than it did when i used either megiuar's or zymol wax imo.

but i hear great things about zaino, i just don't have the patience for the multi-step treatment thing.

Captain_Winters
06-26-2003, 05:30 PM
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DVDoughboy
06-26-2003, 09:03 PM
Here in Houston, we don't need ZFX since it dries pretty quick (unless it is really really humid that day).

I love this stuff.....and about time they started taking orders through the internet.

CBsaksiri
06-26-2003, 09:49 PM
durable like Zaino... but more wax-like.

<img src="http://members.roadfly.org/saksiri99/blackfire2.JPG">

i'm contemplating trying Zaino, though. although i'm guessing it would make my car less blue and less metallic, it would probably give it a different, glossier look that i might like... just maybe though... probably gonna stick with Blackfire for a while.<br>
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eatapc
06-26-2003, 10:24 PM
In this guy\'s test, Klasse is #1 in removal of contaminants and removal of swirls. It\'s tied with Zaino and P21s in depth of color. Zaino is only ahead in shine, and not all testers agreed. So who wins the subjective ranking? Zaino, of course.

I think Cognitive Dissonance Theory explains this. Anything like Zaino, which costs more and requires dedication to use, will produce a placebo or cognitive dissonance effect.<br><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Charcoal'>10/01 Jet Black SMG coupe, New Jersey, exit 50B</span></p>

jason2
06-26-2003, 10:41 PM
<i>In this guy's test, Klasse is #1 in removal of contaminants and removal of swirls. It's tied with Zaino and P21s in depth of color. Zaino is only ahead in shine, and not all testers agreed. So who wins the subjective ranking? Zaino, of course.

I think Cognitive Dissonance Theory explains this. Anything like Zaino, which costs more and requires dedication to use, will produce a placebo or cognitive dissonance effect.</i>

a) I remove contaminants properly with paint cleaners or clay bar.

b) I remove swirls properly with a orbital buffer and swirl remover compound (neither Klasse, Zaino or any polish/wax <u>removes</u> swirls but rather hides them temporarily.

The point you miss is that many people like Zaino because they use other agents to do a <u>proper</u> job against swirls and cleaning. The last criteria is shine which Zaino beats the Klasse by your own admission by this test you cite.

Zaino users aren't masochistic nutcases who wish to waste money and time for no good reason. Most have real experience and knowledge on how to properly maintain a car's finish and we've found Zaino to be our favorite choice for the task.

eatapc
06-26-2003, 10:54 PM
I bow to your superior logic. (See, I\'m not always stubborn.)


I just don\'t want car detailing to turn into my main hobby. My wife thinks the Klasse, microfiber, detail spray and Cal Duster are prima facie evidence of an obsessive/compulsive disorder. I see it as evidence that BMW\'s tree-hugger paint sucks. If we ever go into couples therapy, I\'m afraid the counselor might side with my wife.<br><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Charcoal'>10/01 Jet Black SMG coupe, New Jersey, exit 50B</span></p>

gusser
06-26-2003, 10:55 PM
every 6 months on the waxing part. Works for me.

Element5
06-26-2003, 11:00 PM
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jason2
06-27-2003, 12:59 AM
and we don't understand the shoes/handbags/clothes/etc. obsessions they have :-)

The confusion with Zaino is there's a lot of misunderstanding about the process. All you *need* is two items, ZFX and Z2 (mixed together). They make about a dozen products but you don't need them all.

Even with Klasse or a carnauba wax I would still use a random orbital and 3M swirl remover to clean and remove swirls (I typically do this only once a year). Then the process to apply a wax, Blackfire, Klasse, etc. is the same as the ZFX+Z2. Just apply and immediately take off (no waiting to dry anymore). It's really not any different than any other wax/polish.

StMedina
06-29-2003, 11:10 AM
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mpowerme
06-29-2003, 02:30 PM
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