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MILLARACING
10-27-2003, 09:54 AM
Is it true that at a driver's education event, that the instructor and yourself have to have equal restraints.

Either both have a harness or both have a seatbelt. I couldn't use a harness and they use a seatbelt?

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alevy
10-27-2003, 09:55 AM
If you have a harness you are required to have one for the instructor.<br><hr>
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txse46m3
10-27-2003, 10:11 AM
They're trying to avoid a situation where the driver has a race shell and 5 point harness and the instructor has a stock seat and seatbelt...it's really not fair to the instructor, who is putting his life in your hands.

My last DE, my driver's side harness was in, but the passenger side was backordered. When I met my instructor, I explained, appologized, and he was ok with me using the harness. I was prepared to say - fine, I'll not use the harness and we'll both die!<br><img src=http://members.roadfly.org/txse46m3/haha.gif height=98 width=152>

darkjay
10-27-2003, 10:14 AM
you either both have harnesses or both use the stock seatbelts. What you said is funny but to the point: both of you will be safer or both of you will die :)

It's like the early cars when only the driver's side had an airbag. Following that logic in this case, since the instructor doesn't have an airbag, you should disable yours too! Geez. <br>
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HaroldC
10-27-2003, 10:37 AM
instructors shoes. He/she is putting their life in your hands. I would never ride as a passanger on the track if the driver had either a harness or race bucket and all I had was the stock 3-point or stock seat. Not that you want both people to get injured, but putting harnesses or race buckets infers an increased level of experience ..... and thus increased speed as well.

The same logic follows: If you ride a motorcycle with a helmet, would you also have your passenger use one as well? Of course you would, you are responsible for their safety. That is also the other issue as well, that the driver is responsible for the safety of everyone in the car, regardless of whether you are on the track or the street.

As you can tell, safety is something I don't like messing with. Having been through an accident on the track, I am well aware of the dangers involved ........


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MILLARACING
10-27-2003, 12:32 PM
OK, I just wanted to know the rules.

Just ordered 2 Schroth Rallye 4 harnesses.

thanks.

I can't wait to put in 2 shells so I can put a 5point harness on them<br><a href="http://www.milla-racing.com">
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txse46m3
10-27-2003, 12:46 PM
except in extreme instances...a guy rolls up in a supercharged m roadster he just bought yesterday...he's got 350HP, a fully prepped car w/ no interior, roll cage, racing shell, etc....throws a stock passenger seat in and stock belt.

Now, if the driver feels he needs the racing shell, cage, harness...shouldnt the instructor get one too? Remember, instructors are often volunteers working for free (and a bit of free track time).

Without rules like this, I'd show up to the de with a Houston Texas a$$ pillow for a passenger seat. J/K...but other people seriously would...just cuz they track doesnt make them the sharpest tool in the shed.<br><img src=http://members.roadfly.org/txse46m3/haha.gif height=98 width=152>

DLS
10-27-2003, 01:15 PM


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