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tan03
11-26-2003, 12:27 AM
installed my ssr comps 18x9.5 w/265/35/18 MX w/10mm spacers in the rears yesterday and encountered one problem, the driver's rear rubbed, but only about 1/3 of the tire rubbed, same location everytime. the wheel is not bent and is balanced. no rubbing on the passenger side, same set up. plenty of camber to tug the wheel inside the fender, rear ride height to fender lip is 11 11/16 from center of wheel, front is 12 11/16. any idea? the only thing i can come up with now (after trying several things) is do you guys/gals install this black ring with the spacers? it goes in the center of the Comps to help center the wheel but i was thinking maybe it was causing the spacer not to go in all the way. thoughts, ideas would be appreciated. thx.

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LandShark1
11-26-2003, 12:49 AM
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tan03
11-26-2003, 01:28 AM
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tan03
11-26-2003, 01:41 AM

LandShark1
11-26-2003, 01:56 AM
this year. so, I'm gonna wait till next yr/season (March), but sure will get it! <br>

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dougkm
11-26-2003, 02:04 AM
even with spacers. The spacers have a lip that should be identical in dimensions as the BMW OEM wheel hub. The SSRs need the centering ring to fit snugly and centered on the hub.

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4thm3
11-26-2003, 02:10 AM
Just guessing here. 11 11/16 is awfully low for the rear, the tire may be rubbing on the inner fender wall when the car's under load. It may look like there's enough camber but the inner fender wall on the rear is awful thick.

If those are the TireRack 10mm spacers, then they are not used with the centering ring. But i doubt thats pushing the rim out far enough to cause the rubbing. If anything, the rim is probably wobbly with the spacer not being perfectly centered due to the centering ring (which is only 3 or 4 mm thick).

You're probably running the 35mm offset SSR comps while i'm running the 27mm SSR comps with the 10mm TireRack spacer and have no rubbing issues with -2.3 neg camber on the rear. However, my rear ride hgt is 13.4" - almost 1.7" higher than your setup.<br><!--EMBED SRC="http://members.roadfly.com/4thm3/acc3.mp3" hidden="true" autostart="true"-->

4thm3
11-26-2003, 02:12 AM
The TireRack 10mm spacers replace the centering ring -unlike the H&R's.<br><!--EMBED SRC="http://members.roadfly.com/4thm3/acc3.mp3" hidden="true" autostart="true"-->

LandShark1
11-26-2003, 02:19 AM
'cos I would like to rotate the tires on every use.....<br>

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4thm3
11-26-2003, 02:29 AM
Does the 10mm H&R spacer fit flush with the SSR Comp rim or fit inside the diameter of the centering ring?

If so, then use the centering ring. The TireRack 10mm special spacer has a raised lip which replace the centering ring. In fact, one cannot use the TireRack 10mm spacer with the centering ring because you won't be able to get the rim flush with the spacer.<br><!--EMBED SRC="http://members.roadfly.com/4thm3/acc3.mp3" hidden="true" autostart="true"-->

tan03
11-26-2003, 02:29 AM
my suspicion, i had the spacers on with the ring inside the center of the wheel which could have caused the wheel to wobble and rubbed. i believe that might be the case because only 1/3 of the tire's outter diameter is rubbed, same 1/3 everytime, which would lead me to believe that the wheel is wobbling and rubbing at that same spot everytime. another strange thing is the passenger's side didn't rub at all, only when i cornered really hard (w/the center ring on). going to the track tomorrow, you think i should go slap the spacers on w/out the ring real quick? my rear camber is at -1.3 degrees.

4thm3
11-26-2003, 02:31 AM
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StMedina
11-26-2003, 02:33 AM
spacers....you are not grabbing enough threads even with the extended bolts they supplied

do not drive another mile or minute without taking the black centering ring out if you're gonna run the spacer.

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StMedina
11-26-2003, 02:36 AM
give enough internal recess to allow it to be run....

that's why the TR 10mm's work, is because spacer is removed...and it allows the hubcentric flange to be moved out slightly, to make room for the rotors flange..<br>












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tan03
11-26-2003, 02:37 AM
tell me not to use the center ring, spoke to him couple of times. does your looks like this?


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tan03
11-26-2003, 02:40 AM
what was wrong, so decided to take them out. gonna go down and try them w/out the ring now. that should definitely solve the rubbing issue no? i run hre448R 19x10 w/275/30/19 so-3's with the same ride height of 11 11/16 rear w/out rubbing so i would guess the center ring was really pushing the wheel out against the inner fender lip. rear camber at -1.3 degrees. whatca think?

4thm3
11-26-2003, 02:41 AM
They also had a nice chamfered edge to make removal easier.

Too bad i rubbed with the 27mm SSR comps & 265/35-18 PSCs.<br><!--EMBED SRC="http://members.roadfly.com/4thm3/acc3.mp3" hidden="true" autostart="true"-->

4thm3
11-26-2003, 02:42 AM
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dougkm
11-26-2003, 02:45 AM
How much are the TR spacers, and do they come with longer lug bolts?


BTW, are you going to Laguna Seca 12/6 and 12/7 w/ NCRC?
I am instructing that weekend.

I might finally have the '87 325is ITS race car ready to run!

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4thm3
11-26-2003, 02:47 AM
I'm only signed up for Sat tho - Sun only has room for novices w/out instruction. I was at Sears with Trackmasters this past Sat; figured you were at Thunderhill lusting after the Radicals.

Are you bringing your ITS car then? cool! Has John recovered yet?<br><!--EMBED SRC="http://members.roadfly.com/4thm3/acc3.mp3" hidden="true" autostart="true"-->

LandShark1
11-26-2003, 03:08 AM
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If <b>SPEED</b> kills, do <b>BRAKES</b> give life?!

Previous >> 89' M3 || 90' M3 || 95' M3 || 98' M Roadster || current ride >> 03' M3 || 06-07' M3....again....? ;)

Happiness <b>IS NOT</b> around the corner!!
Happiness <b>IS</b> the corner!!

StMedina
11-26-2003, 03:23 AM
of your concerns....with the black centering rings, and the spacers as well....you were this close <> from having that wheel fall off.....there would be barely enough threads from the bolts holding the wheels on...

I personally think that those ride heights do nothing for handling...but as far as it being the cause for the rub....you betcha it was...that and the fact that you were pushing the wheel out by mistake...

bet you gain a regain a full 5mm by removing that centering ring....

but i believe the rub was actually wheel wobble....those bolts were barely hangin on..

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4thm3
11-26-2003, 03:25 AM
But again, it will depend on your drop. Also, assuming you're running 265/35. I think Steve's done 15mm but prefers the 10mm for handling reasons.<br><!--EMBED SRC="http://members.roadfly.com/4thm3/acc3.mp3" hidden="true" autostart="true"-->

StMedina
11-26-2003, 03:25 AM
the flange that is on the bmw hub....

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StMedina
11-26-2003, 03:26 AM
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StMedina
11-26-2003, 03:31 AM
hub....

the reason the H&R 10mm don't work...

so we are on same page.

recessed area on the spacer....is on the same plane as the flange on the spacer....

the flange that is on the car's hub, is about 10mm......

so with all being on the same plane.....there isn't enough recessed area on the spacer with a 10mm......with the SSR comps, and H&R spacers, we'd run the black centering rings...



Now....with the TireRack 10mm spacer, since the recessed area and the flange on the spacer are on two different planes....it allows for the cars hub to fit inside the recessed area....and since we aren't running the black centering rings...means that the spacers flange is slightly offset to that of the inner recessed area...



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dougkm
11-26-2003, 03:41 AM
Dan,

Yup, I was at Thill all weekend. Fabian took third in his Radical in the ARC race. John was back behind the wheel as well. Unfortunately we had a major incident -- a roll-over and a life-flight...sort of an strange coincidence since the last time John was driving...well you know the story.

<a href="http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/dougkm/vwp2?.tok=bcdxFkSB0ROORDZI&.dir=/Incidents&.dnm=IMG_4186.jpg&.src=ph">Thill Roll Over</a>

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'94 E34 540i, 439 HP / 391 lbft, Dinan stgIII superchgr + cams, 3.64 diff, high stall torque convtr, exhaust, stgIII susp., brembo big brakes, xenons, M5 wheels/rear spoiler, clear corners

4thm3
11-26-2003, 03:45 AM
Are John & Mike going to Laguna 12/6 too?<br><!--EMBED SRC="http://members.roadfly.com/4thm3/acc3.mp3" hidden="true" autostart="true"-->

dougkm
11-26-2003, 03:48 AM
Unknown. The only announcement made was that "the driver is stable and is being life-flighted out as a precautionary measure"....

John will be at Laguna, Mike wont.

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'94 E34 540i, 439 HP / 391 lbft, Dinan stgIII superchgr + cams, 3.64 diff, high stall torque convtr, exhaust, stgIII susp., brembo big brakes, xenons, M5 wheels/rear spoiler, clear corners

juno
11-26-2003, 08:27 AM
I remember when you first started posting. StMedina was your roadfly name, right?

txse46m3
11-26-2003, 10:53 AM
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RAY
11-26-2003, 11:16 AM


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