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akrenz
02-09-2004, 03:21 PM
They griped about the axle hop but I don't think it was blown out of proportion. Run-flat tires may contribute to this.

The oil temperature sensor issue is more troublesome. Hopefully it is just an early production "glitch" that can be easily solved. The LS6 engine has been in production at least 3 years now, afterall.

Interesting to note that even with short-shifting at 5500 due to the oil temperature issue, the CTS-V still turned a slightly quicker lap time than the M5.


<a href="http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/e46m3/4620893-1.html">C&D CTS-V vs. M3 vs. M5 article</a>

oceanhut
02-09-2004, 03:52 PM
Thanks for posting that, I havent gotten the chance to pick up the magazine.
Overall, it stinks that the caddy didnt perform as well as we all know it can. But as for the article itself, I did not think it was too bad. As we all know, C&D loves BMW and tends to be slightly biased towards Detroit muscle; but, they appeared to do "their best" when trying to explain why the car didnt reach GMs forecasted potential instead of just slamming it.

It boils down to this. The CTS-V is a limited production car. The people who love it will buy it, and in reality, GM doesnt need to reach a broader audience than that. (They do, but work with me here) The greatest thing about this car is that, while it looks mean, and you know something is different about it when you see it-- it is a sleeper. This article only helps us out. All those BMW guys who are grinning ear to ear after reading this article will be looking to race and when you smoke 'em, they wont be smiling any more.
p.s., I pick up my V on wednesday and cannot wait to see it!!!

Jlsmith
02-09-2004, 04:06 PM
model BMW M5. The new 545i will do 0-60 in 5.5 or even less, and the next generation M5 - well - look out. I saw the V ive at the auto show and it does look nice, however, I would be careful - the front end has a look that could be real outdated looking soon. It doesn't have that kind of classic appeal that will outlive its years...

All in all though....great try and an interesting ride. Sorry, but we BMW guys still rule the roost..albeit by a smaller and smaller margin,,,

akrenz
02-09-2004, 04:07 PM
Not anymore, anyway. Read their comments about the E60 5-series

<a href="http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=7573&page_number=1">C&D BMW 530i review</a>

Let us know how your CTS-V is - we need to get some traffic going on this board. I pick up my plain-vanilla CTS tomorrow for a 24 hour test drive. I really, *really* hope the staff at the dealership doesn't act like [Oops!] and get all "holier-than-thou" with me when I inquire about the CTS-V!



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oceanhut
02-09-2004, 04:46 PM
Joe, I agree and disagree with you. The styling on the CTS is so different from any other car out there, that I really believe it will last. Essentially, the car has no lines. Is has no curves whatsoever, and that harsh appearance is what gives it that aggressive/mean look as opposed to the sleek lines of an M3.

I love BMWs, I wont lie. My parents have had them and my roomate has a brand new e46 with full exhaust and 19"HREs. People ask me all the time why I would get the CTSv when I could have gotten the M3. The answer is simple. M3s, while they are awesome, are nothing special. Being from North Jersey, 13 miles outside of NYC, M3s, M5s and the like are a dime a dozen. Does that make it bad? No, not in the slightest. But if you want to be different and make a statement, an M3 isnt goin going to do that for you. The CTS-v however, with such low production numbers and american muscle appeal, will.

Jlsmith
02-09-2004, 05:42 PM
and the boxier look is a bit trendy. I like it though, don't get me wrong, but the reason there are so many M5s and M3s out there is because they are so awesome - I'm all for the driving experience - more so than outward appearances. But I would always lean toward a more defined and classy look as one that would last the test of time. But I do really like that new '05 Mustang! To me, that's American muscle.

oceanhut
02-09-2004, 06:15 PM
The new mustang is a work of art. Im a firm believer that its the nicest mustang since '66-'69 stylings.2004 CTS-v

RickKap
02-09-2004, 09:24 PM
The Chevy small block has been refined for decades.

RickKap
02-09-2004, 09:26 PM

RickKap
02-09-2004, 09:26 PM

Rich H
02-09-2004, 11:22 PM
The most important fact to gain from the C&D article, in my opinion, is that the CTS V is a better handling and faster car than the either M car on the track. It would have matched the pre-production tests at Nurburgring by beating both M car lap times if it weren't for the oil temp gauge mis-calibration. It has the right combination of low end torque and steering precision to be the best in either class. I doubt that the new 500+ hp V-10 M5 will be able to better it's lap times due to a significant shift in weight distribution toward the front.

I'm not too worried about the 0-60 acceleration times they recorded - they will improve when you adjust to the car and learn how to launch it.

The CTS V has some rough edges but has more potential than any car GM has developed in years. And it's no contest for bang for the buck.

jason_nakal
02-10-2004, 09:48 AM
yes, the small block has been around and refined forever, but gm can still manage to screw it up. lots of z06's have had to have their rings replaced because of oil consumption.

the engine design, or perhaps the production of it, has hardly been perfected.

nupeskee
02-10-2004, 10:48 AM

JohnG
02-10-2004, 06:29 PM
and BMW won't even replace the rings on the M5s. They just say to check the oil adn fill as needed.

At least GM will replace your rings if you complain.


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