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Joe M
09-02-2004, 09:31 AM
Hey guys,

I thought some of you might be interested - there were a few threads on this a while back, but there seemed to be very few people who'd actually tried it.

Last week I replaced the last two Contis on my car with Pilot Sports. I'd previously switched to Pilot Sports in back a few months ago. With the front tires, I decided to go wider in an attempt to balance out the handling.

I'm happy to comment that the switch from 225s to 245s in front (while remaining with the stock width in back) makes a very noticeable improvement. I always hated the Conti's anyway - they just felt like they weren't a serious performance tires - too hard in the rubber, soft in the sidewall. Sure they are cheaper, but why buy a car like this, then skimp on tires? Also, if your priority is a smooth comfortable ride, why are you in an M-series car anyway?

The Pilots probably would be stickier even without the width increase, so the combination of both sticker rubber and a more aggressive tire really made a difference.

I haven't yet worked up to fully exploiting the car's abilities, but the front end now stays put much longer in corners. Steering feel is slightly improved (and surprisingly, virtually no tramlining), but with much more aggressive turn-in as you bend hard into a turn.

I can't for the life of me figure out why the M3 didn't have this setup as stock - it feels as if the tire upgrade uncovered what the engineers originally intended for the car. Instead of grinding the front tires away *every time* I throw the car hard into a merge ramp, now the front end just plain stays put. I'm pretty sure I'll be able to do some "steer with the gas pedal" antics like in my E36 once I build a bit more trust with the car... Tho the limit is now so high that it will be difficult to find a safe place to do that. (The one bad effect is that now, every other driver on the street really *does* seem to be on valium).

In short - if you're thinking of widening the front tires to reduce understeer, go for it! And I am not on Michelin's payroll, but I seriously do think the Pilot Sports are worth the additional cost over alternatives like the Contis.

Just my 2c.... Cheers!
--Joe M

09-02-2004, 10:48 AM

09-02-2004, 01:46 PM
It would allow the car to rotate better.


09-02-2004, 01:53 PM
255/255 is fun, as is 275/275.

THe car doesn't have anywhere near enough power to justify a stagger.

09-02-2004, 01:54 PM

09-02-2004, 02:10 PM
turn in is so much more direct.
it helps inspire attacking turns now at a much higher speed. the car does not twitch whatsover anymore.

Joe M
09-02-2004, 02:18 PM
The staggered setup - especially since they added stability control anyway - was just to dumb the car down.

09-02-2004, 03:59 PM
sounds like ricer-speak
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09-02-2004, 04:23 PM
what is the widest tire that will fit safely on the stock 19" front rim? What aspect
ratio are you running with the 245's up front? Finally, does it upset the DSC operation when running the 245's or 255's up front with the 255's in the rear?

09-02-2004, 05:26 PM

09-03-2004, 09:29 AM
In what way is that ricer speak, exactly?

Are you against non-staggered setups for some inane reason?

09-03-2004, 10:04 AM
RS2 pointed out that the Pilot Sport A/S is about 1" wider than most other 275's and that fit the rim well. You could probably go wider but I'd stay with 275's max.

09-03-2004, 11:03 AM
Fairly good combo. The cab is 360#'s heavier, so it's hard to get her well balanced. The front is significantly more planted in tight turns. What I have noticed is when going into a turn, give her throttle. Normally, another car would break loose. The cab somehow likes the throttle and shifts more of the weight to the rear going her more stability. Neat feeling.

Have a dry weekend all.

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