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Lugnut
09-16-2004, 07:02 AM
I did my 10th day this year at Blackhawk in the E46 yesterday (http://www.blackhawkfarms.com/). I am running Pagid Orange pads in the front and Pagid Yellow in the back.
I need to address two things:
First, maybe it's just the weight of the car, I don't know, but a set of Orange pads doesn't even last me a whole day. If I am babying it, I can go three sessions on a freshly bedded set of pads.
I've heard a lot of people say that if you want real brakes, go for AP. I've heard people raving about Stoptech, and I've heard people hating their Stoptech setup.
I don't care about fancy red calipers and big shiny drilled rotors, I just want to know that every time I hit the brake pedal, I can slow the car down.
Second, I am on my 9th set of front pads, and my Yellows in the back are still yellow! After one run, all of the orange paint has burned off a new set of pads, but the rears are STILL YELLOW and have so much meat on them I am wondering whether the rear brakes in this car are just for show! 9 to 1 is outrageous. How do I get this car to use its rear brakes?

Now, I drive this car every day. It is my only car. I run snow tires on stock 18s, I have track tires on stock 18s. I need these brakes to fit underneath the stock 18" wheels, and I need a setup that can take cheapo street pads as well as track pads.

jkuper
09-16-2004, 07:42 AM
Think of how much weight is transferred to the front under braking. I'd say rears do about 15-20%.<a href = "http://www.team-bar.com">http://members.roadfly.org/jkuper/teamBAR_Sig2.JPG</a>

shep01
09-16-2004, 08:42 AM
my experience has been and continues to be 21/2 front sets to one rear set of pads. this requires a proper amount of front to rear bias which is determined exclusively by the pad materials and their relative friction and other characteristics. the yellows are an endurance pad of dubious use with DE type driving and there is no way he should be seing such little wear and such little heat in the rear. if he had orange in the rear i would bet he would see approx. 2 1/2:1 wear rates. on the other hand, since he is wearing the orange pads so quickly, and yes, it is a function of the weight, heat, and the nature of the friction material, he would be well advised to change pads. the best we have seen so far on a stock set-up has been the PF#01 in front and something akin to the PF97 in the rear.

titanio
09-16-2004, 08:51 AM
Stoptech is a good product, endorsed by many racers. If you stay with stock calipers, I can recommend the Cool Willy pads that Turner sells for track use.

Bcar
09-16-2004, 09:32 AM

shep01
09-16-2004, 09:50 AM
going to try the padgid rs1-4 (blacks) next with orange as the rear or blacks as the rear pad

metalman
09-16-2004, 09:55 AM
Cooling to the front is necessary ie Bimmerworld cooling ducts.

FRONT

The PFC-01 is the best pad for the front of this car PERIOD! No matter what brake setup you have, stock all the way to Alcon Monoblock six pistons, it's just that they wear the rotor a little faster.

REAR

Brake Man Asphalt #3 Compound*

For those severe duty conditions encountered on all cars being run on hard braking tracks, or cars being driven by drivers whose style demands the most from the brake system, we have developed a pad that can handle temperatures including the glowing red rotor conditions, (1200 degrees Fahrenheit and up). At the same time, the coefficient of friction stays high (approximately .48) and is very consistent throughout the temperature range. This pad is perfect for asphalt applications on all cars including Grand National applications.

RS 4-4 ORANGE
This compound has a very good fade resistance and a higher average friction value than the RS 4-2. It is rotor friendly with a predictable, non-aggressive friction behavior (stable torque). Fading resistance up to 560C (1.050F). It is a very good rear compound for Touring Car applications in combination with RS 14 front pads. Its main application is Porsche 911 racing. It is used on either Short Track or Long Distance; also for front and rear axles. It is also used on BMW Showroom Stock, all other Touring Cars and Single- Seater up to F3.

metalman
09-16-2004, 09:56 AM
Your not working are you?

shep01
09-16-2004, 10:03 AM

thbrewst
09-16-2004, 10:34 AM
they bite very well, don't seem to eat up rotors too bad and they last very well (I have run mine for 8 track days and they still have at least 2 or 3 more days left. I run them on both front and rear. Plus they are much cheaper than replacing the entire brake set-up.

You would not want to drive them on the street for an extended period of time as they are very loud (squeeks etc...).

metalman
09-16-2004, 10:36 AM

txse46m3
09-16-2004, 11:05 AM
Cooling is a must w/ Pagid Orange.
http://members.roadfly.org/txse46m3/owned-pagidorange.jpg<p align="center"><a href="http://www.doubledracing.net">
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DoubleD Racing (http://www.doubledracing.net)
Mod List: Buncha stuff that makes it sound like a barrel of washers rolling down the street.

singletrack1
09-16-2004, 12:00 PM
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Lugnut
09-16-2004, 12:05 PM
I'm working today... I decided to use my floating holiday and go to the track instead of using it today (shame on me).
Now I have to get used to writing 5765 on my checks!

Lugnut
09-16-2004, 12:08 PM
OK so far I've had about a dozen people STRONGLY recommend Performance Friction. I'll put up a couple sets for the rest of the year.
Blackhawk Farms has a (correct) reputation for being very hard on brakes. What about additional cooling? I don't have any extra cooling on my brakes. Worth while? Helpful? Wasteful?

Rowley
09-16-2004, 12:28 PM

AEsco48
09-16-2004, 12:28 PM
ordered two sets today for the RS110

you getting a set of RS110's?







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09-16-2004, 12:29 PM
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singletrack1
09-16-2004, 01:03 PM
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SoulSpeed Performance
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DanLaw
09-16-2004, 02:31 PM
to Rear Lines. If the Yellow is NOT wearing away from 19s there IS an Issue. Mount a Gauge to the Rear Lines and see if there's a blockage. My Perspective is SomeThing is up with the DSC Controller....

sayemthree
09-16-2004, 02:58 PM
set up for street and track - have had zero problems - low cost solution and both rotors and pads seem to last a decent amount of time - I have run this at CA speedway several times - its very hard on brakes - two hards stops from 135+ mph in a row - it seemed like the harder I used them the better they got -

first time on stock pads and rotors at CA speedway they were toast - had bad fade and rotors warped.

metalman
09-16-2004, 11:41 PM
Seem VERY sticky but also seem to roll a little ie maybe not as stiff a sidewall as you might think.

I'll let you know more tomorrrow.

sayemthree
09-17-2004, 12:26 AM
front and rear. (HP+)


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