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  • 10-22-2006, 02:13 PM

    Re: Why?

    I live in LA and getting my 650 was a big step for me. I am not a computer geek, but am comfortable with Tech stuff. It took me a short time to get used to the Idrive, but once I understood it and how it worked I have no issues. I would not say I love it, but it is worth any issues to drive this car.

    As I said I live in an area where there is so much going on in the street that having a car that helps you drive is welcome. Of course last week I took it out of town and when I got my first speeding ticket (83mph,lucky he did not clock the 110 I had just been doing - the car is a dream at that speed) I wish it had a feature to tell me the highway patrol is close by.
  • 09-29-2006, 11:08 AM

    Re: Why?

    stick in there you'll get used to the idrive, you'll still have some memory gap form time to time but i find its worth the effort. what may help your near term problem is to use the vioce controls for switching the am/fm... as for the nav thats another thing, its got some good anf bad points. i still use my garmin streel pilot.
  • 09-26-2006, 08:57 AM

    Enjoy your ride!

  • 09-25-2006, 04:09 PM

    what is objective against the SL500 (SL550) ?

    have had a few MBs and found the service superior to BMW's. at every single time I might add. Never had a problem with the service dep or the mechanics and I wish I could tell a story when I had no problem at BMW.
    anyway the MB sure has their own share of technological nighmares. having had a few of them I know that they are weak in term of electronics and some mechanical elements also compare to the 80's and early 90's rock solid MB cars.
    But sure does BMW and with a recent change in style and direction from BMW it seems as they leaped forward a bit too fast, too giant of a steps in order to maintain the lead in sport sedan category. iDrive is/was a nightmare for most people. I have tried it and hated it. Sure i tried the 2st generation in 2002 and 2003 noting ever since. I just feel that I do not need that much of a control in a car and all functions can be done by pressing a button. When was the last time you could not find a button in a car for the job you wanted to do ?
    MB and Audi have copied the perfected the iDrive and I have used Audi's version. Sure it is better but still not needed. The good thing was that most normal function was controllable on the dash by pushing abutton versus iDrive where most function controlled by the iDrive.
    As far as taste goes, I think I'm not alone who says the 650 looks downright ugly compare to the SL550. The ragtop alone is a weird looking object from the rear, I could not figure out the reason for that odd shape, unless aerodynamics.
    at the end of the day if a porsche is released it is always impressive without explanations. Most MB's are beautiful designs regardless of the mechanicals and electronics, just by looking at them. The BMW's were the same till the 2002 7 series. Since then we all heard the explanation that it is actually a really nice car with lines that somewhere in a distance connect and create a convex concav complex shape which makes it really neat. Sure, you can tell a woman is nice if you turn off the light and drink a dozen margaritas... but that will not make it good. a good design is instantly captures you and without even knowing what do you like on it you just love it. Aston MArtin DB9 and Vanquish, MB SL500, E46 BMW, I might add the 8 series too, many many automobiles have a line that is pleasing to the eye. Not neccessary older cars, I like most new MB's look. The new SLK is absolutely stunning, a BMW Z8 is awesome, and in a less expensive categories - the new Honda Civic 2dr coupe is just one pretty coupe. On the mid price sedan catergory t h e Infiniti G and higher end M cars are simply elegant designs. SUre people would say a BMW is a better car - might be but we were talking about design and not which one goes faster or have more electronics gadgets inside. ALl that is not important to me. Even the engine power is not that important anymore. All newer cars can easily double the speed of the speedlimit, so whats the point ? a 325HP family sedan that does 0-60 in under 6.5s and sits 4 confortably and carries all the luggage isn't enough ? if anybody says NO, then please tell me where do you live and I move there too. I lived on the east coast since I moved to the US from europe and I found it hard to speed over 80-90mph for longer period of time. If you do you risk your license ticket even jail time. so I stopped drivign like a mad european and slowed down to the us speed limit.

    1997 840CiA
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  • 09-24-2006, 03:48 PM

    I didn't like PC mouse at first either, but then

    after getting accustomed, it and i-Drive became second nature. Provides a lot of individual control without cluttering up with a bunch of seldom used buttons and knobs.
  • 09-24-2006, 10:55 AM

    Your recent posts offer an interesting...

    perspective. We are all entitled to our opinions and free to make choices on our automobiles. I found your comments on the SL550 on this forum instructive, if at odds with your diatribe against iDrive and electronic systems in all of today's upper-end models, especially including the new 997TT and the F430. To each his own. I humbly suggest that you try living with your favored SL550 vs the 650i conv that you consider ugly. I have had an 03 SL500 and 03 CL55 and far prefer my 650i conv, but will not attempt to change your mind. I truly wish that you enjoy your ride.
  • 09-24-2006, 10:38 AM

    Re: whats that mambo jumbo under the signature ?

    What's one more computer amoungst 20 or so? I do more things without taking my eyes of road with iDrive than without it. However, for those that don't like iDrive you can get an e60, e90 or e92 without it. Nice 8. Just saw a 850CSi friend purchased a couple weeks ago with 120k miles. Really excellent condition, interior condition was the best I've seen, although my experience with the 8 is very limited.
    US '05 645 Coupe, Silver Grey, Chateau, Sport, Premuim Audio (Logic 7), HUD, Cold Wx Pkg, SIRIUS Sat Radio, Delivered w/CIP 15.2, Aux Input, using Cingular Motorola v551 (v557 as of 1/7/06) Bluetooth implementation w/ snap in adapter, V1 - not hardwired. Status Born on 1/25/05, baby delivered 2/25/05, broken in 3/25/05 Upgrade to CIP 16.2 on 3/15/05, upgrade to CIP 20.02 on 3/17/06 w/MP3 enabled - Great, great BMW!!
  • 09-23-2006, 12:55 AM

    whats that mambo jumbo under the signature ?

    iDrive is an answer for a question that was never asked. We have been able to control everything with buttons, so iDrive and the display does nothing but makes it more fancy. I personly do not want an another computer in my car and don't want the car to wipe my fanny. I just want to drive it and enjoy it. Hard to enjoy something that controls you and not controlling it. You are a passenger with limited control in the newer cars and people love it so this is the future. now all said, can I go back to the past ?
  • 09-03-2006, 07:44 PM

    Glad to read your post. I have been thinking of

    I also think the idrive is a joke. It is the main reason why I may not sell the 2002M3 for the 650. I also do not like the fact you can not place the back seats down for more trunk space. I drove one for the first time yesterday. It felt nice. Had enough power. Like you said, it does drive you. I am OK with that for now. I live in LA and I am sick of driving a stick and wan't to "just cruse" for a while. If you have any more insite I am all ears. Take care.

  • 09-03-2006, 06:02 PM

    Re: Why?

    From one who appreciates balance and a logical setup iDrive interface, don't sweat the small stuff. Spend some time learning your vehicle and you will begin to appreciate the fine piece of machinery you have.

    Is the entire package perfect? No, but as I started my reply post, "Balance".

    GMANEnjoy the drive...
  • 08-20-2006, 07:06 PM

    LOVE my M6

    Is far more comfy than the M3. Great go power.

    My complaint is with the iDrive. Since you have that already, it's prolly not a problem to u.

    Other issue is gas mileage. Gets 12mpg in town, 16 on road, with a small tank. Gotta fill it up too often.

    I like not having the sunroof overhead, one thing less to go wrong and gives more headroom.

    While the 645 performs strong, the M6 is awesome.

    It's like a 645 on steroids.

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  • 08-12-2006, 02:27 PM

    Recipe for excitment in a 930

    Enter corner. Get on the throttle before the apex. Turbo lag causes a little delay. Oops, now that the boost is up realize that you gave it too much throttle; better back off. Hold on tight, here comes the trailing-throtle oversteer. Remember, in a spin, both feet in.

    Jim2005 E500
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    2002 745i (retired)
    2001 540i 6sp Sport
  • 08-11-2006, 11:35 PM

    Re: Seatbelt

    I ALWAYS wear seatbelts, but when I pull into a parking spot, waiting on someone (like at the ATM) and its in P(ark) and the emergency brake is on, etc. why should I have the seat belt warning chiming away? Very annoying.
  • 08-11-2006, 12:49 PM

    Seat Belts, iDrive & More

    I'm a free-market, less-regulation kind of guy, but I know that wearing seat belts makes a lot of sense, regardless of whether or not the government tells me to do so. I'm a good driver (I think) -- my concern, however, is for the idiot dring the 10-year old minivan while talking on the cellphone who insists on changing lanes without regard for the flow of traffic, and other sorts of atrocities.

    As for iDrive, the consensus is that it could be better (some might view that as an understatement). It's far, far better today than the First Generation version, and I'm OK with it (actually very good at it now) -- but it still needs improvement to take it to the next level. Yeah, the slowness bothers me, too, especially on start-up. The fact that iDrive is better today than it was in 2002 is of little solace for you, however. Give it a bit more time.

    HD Radio is good but disappointing for exactly the reasons you noted -- signal strength varies, which makes HD and "regular" signals fade in and out. Nobody tells you this, however, before you sign up for it. I'm still glad I have it in my car because I believe that HD radio technology will improve over time, but I am disappointed in it so far.


    '06 650i Convertible. Mineral Silver, black interior, dark ash wood. Step, Prem Sound/Sat/HD, Sport Pkg, Cold Weather Pkg.
  • 08-11-2006, 12:42 PM

    Nav lady voice

    Dont forget you can silence the nav voice by choosing the mute setting on the left side of the menu screen. I tend to keep my lady silent and just look at her for direction when needed!
  • 08-11-2006, 10:10 AM

    Re: Why?

    I passed on the HD radio, which I should have gotten and although i do not find iDrive offensive I agree that it is far too slow and that there should be more setting options. The chimes are not especially bothersome, as seat belts whould always be worn. As to the original concerns about the differences between a 930 and the '06 650, I could write a small book, but suffice it to say that the technology is a world aprat and the cars, even the new Porsche 997's, are very different from each other and were built for different purposes. They are just not directly comparable. I drive an '06 997 Carrera 4S as well as my '06 650i convertible and have owned an '88 Carrera cabriolet and '02 C4S when new so know a bit about Porsches. I humbly submit that the 930 is the ultimate driver's challenge and when mastered I imagine is an extradorinary experience. I readily confess that I am not a skilled enough driver to take the 930 into a moist exit ramp at any speed about above the limit.
  • 08-11-2006, 12:25 AM

    Re: Why?

    I too just too delivery of a 650 coupe. I have about 250 miles on it. I find the Idrive VERY annoying, and I'm an engineer living in silicon valley so I'm not overwhelmed by technology. My biggest complaints are 1) the Idrive is slooooowwwww 2) the screen to screen navigation is not well thought out 3) despite the appearance of being able to program all these differnet car features there are many that are missing.

    One of the most annoying missing features to me is that you can't set different tone/equalizer/HD radio on/off uniquely for each stored station. For heavens sakes my 2003 Chevy Trailblazer lets me set a different tone setting for each stored station. Two obvious examples why this is useful are you might set the tone very differently for rock then you do for AM talk radio. Also HD works best when you've got a good strong signal. If the station is a little further away it pops in/out of HD (which gives rise to some very annoying echoes and very odd sounds). The manual says "its best to leave it off". So three stations here give good HD reception but the next two on my setting don't. So you need to go thru like five different screens to disable HD. Which is now off for all stations. What a pain. Feels like a waste of a $500 (maybe $1000) option to me.

    I'm too f**kin' annoyed to say more now.... like the stupid seat belt alarm which continues to chime for 2 minutes after you're in park.

    Yeah it drives great. Too bad there isn't an option for No Idrive.

  • 08-10-2006, 09:51 AM

    Re: Why?


    I have done what you suggested and on Tuesday took the 650i for a short 200 mile jog.

    Admittedly, I am getting used to all of the computerized bells and whistles and agree that the 650i is the "perfect" GT coupe. However, my heart still belongs to the 930S Turbo! It'll take a while, since I had it for 18 years. I would have kept it if I had had the garage space (I live in a Condo building). Oh well, time heals all wounds - the 650i is one heck of a wound healer, though.

    My only real annoyances on the 650i presently however, are the "fasten seat belt" chime (I'm currently looking around for an extra belt clip to insert in the buckle, in order to silence it when I'm not wearing the belt) and the NAV lady who keeps telling me to "safely make a U-Turn" when, in fact, that would take me the wrong way!

  • 08-08-2006, 02:43 PM

    M6 Review?

    I have a deposit down on the M6 Convertible (I drive a 645 convertible currently) and would love to hear your thoughts on the M6 Couple. What do you like about it/not like, etc.

    Any insight would be much appreciated since I most likely won't be able to test drive before I plunk down the cash!

    Thanks in Advance.
  • 08-08-2006, 08:16 AM

    Re: Why?

    I'd recommend dedicating one or two uninterrupted hours in your driveway to getting familiar with I-drive. Just get out the manual, turn on the ignition, and step through all the menues. Refer to the manual as needed and try out all the menues using the controller. I did this when I first got my coupe and it made a huge difference in how I felt about the car. You'll soon be comfortable using a combination of dash controls, steering wheel buttons, voice commands, and I-drive to make the car do what you want. You may even feel, as I do, that BMW has given you a beautifully gift-wrapped package of modern technology that enhances the GT driving experience. I, too, came to the 6 from a Porsche 911. Even two years later, I sometimes miss the Porsche, but overall, I wouldn't go back.
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