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  • 02-16-2008, 06:36 PM
    M5guido

    They can't run them at tracks because....

    They'll get beat down by guys in much lower horsepower cars.

    Here in Hoosier land, the BMW club helped the viper club put on one of their first driving events. The FIRST SESSION had 13 cars off the track. We had to put the Viper drivers into our cars and drive them around the track, and even with 1000 extra pounds (most of the guys were over 200lbs) and 200 LESS hp we could easily out pace the vipers....or more correctly the guys driving the vipers...After figuratively knocking their male members in the dirt they finally listened to us.

    The basic problem is two fold. 1. The people attracted to vipers are usually successful entrepreneurs without a college education and are kind of aggressive go getters. 2. With all the HP and torque, the viper must be driven with finesse and subtlety. A quality Viper drivers don't posses.

    So, more or less the viper drivers school becomes this slow conga line around the track until the main straight where they all want to drag race to turn 1 and then do it all over again.

    To be fair, I do know a couple of guys that drive Vipers really well.
    and driven well a viper is awfully hard to beat at the track.

    Guido
  • 12-29-2007, 08:45 PM
    Ronny

    LongIsland you must be a gardener snake...hehehehe

    The Viper will [Oops!] slap the M5 anytime of the day...and your point is??? Don't bag on the car, just the owner.

  • 11-26-2007, 07:16 PM
    Jhud

    read this post, its great ( up one ) nice blog!

  • 11-25-2007, 02:05 PM
    Jhud

    Re: M5 no Match for Viper

    perhaps sir, you are an idiot. first a viper is a nice car if you dont count the steering like a dumpster factor and also exclude the fact that they are rattle traps. is it possible that while YOU were at the track, compensating for your tiny endowments, the driver of the m5 was not experienced? first the m5 has [email protected] rpms idiot. second the weight ratio is 52.2 to 47.8 compared to the vipers 60.1 to 39.9. seems to me the viper is a front heavy turd? simply put the m5 is a vehicle that can be driven all year round and can be a daily driver while simultaneously making viper owners post rediculous blogs on bmw forums. lastly the m5 is formula bred. BMW started making vehicles that were track quaility when texaco ( chevron) gave BMW money to race. there began the "M" ( motorsport ) division. since BMW is a major player in formula 1 racing and the s85 engine in the e60 m5 is derived directly from lessons learned from formula racing. the engine is made after the P84/5 engine which is in BMWs formula car. the engine requires nearly 100 hours assembly time and is blueprinted from about 50,000 parts. the m5 uses an alusil crackcase and has a forged steel nitro-carburized crank for strength. what this means is that while your over priced dodge is experiencing engine failure, the m5 still has plenty of life left. ever see a viper with over 100,000 miles? me either. post your incoherent redneck " fact " racing info somewhere else. preferably somewhere where no one has any knowledge about how automobilies werk.
  • 11-24-2007, 11:41 PM
    rocknroad

    sorry just realized you morons havent posted

    in months - sorry to wake you
  • 11-24-2007, 11:37 PM
    rocknroad

    Re: M5 no Match for Viper

    even a stock MZ4 can handle the V.

    http://www.shoutfile.com/v/1xftDapp/Top_Gear_BMW_Z4_M_Roadster_vs._Dodge_Viper
  • 11-16-2007, 10:18 PM
    m3itis

    Little sensitive, Petey? Daddy buy you your 1st?

  • 07-31-2007, 10:46 PM
    DanC-1996M3

    grammar police! seize him!

  • 07-30-2007, 05:16 PM
    tlennen

    Re: Whats wrong with working you butt off for ur kids?

    Nothing wrong with spoiling your kids if that is what you want to do with your money. It's your money - either you earned it, inherited it or both. Even if I was a multi, multi millionaire I would never give my kid this kind of car. Of course I am one of the "little people" who is not a multi millionaire, and we all know we "little people" should all be cleaning toilets somewhere in some digusting red state....
  • 07-29-2007, 11:34 PM
    wolverine

    Another Viper Idiot

    Sounds like the guy that changed the rules at Mid-Ohio.

    I was just out at there, and the instructors no longer are allowed to ride with the students. The reason, to quote one of the instructors, is "some idiot in a Viper decided he didn't need to brake at the end of the straightaway into turn one, and flipped his car with the instructor in it - broke his neck". Great.

    Even with the newer 500 HP 2004 viper, both cars had identical times (8:13) around the Nurburgring. Again, I'll take my car over the Viper anyday on a track. You might keep up for a few laps, but driving that car at 9/10ths, eventually you'll find yourself off the track. They've got way too much torque and handle like trucks. Here are the Trackchallenge results:

    Dodge BMW M5
    Testing Date 10/2004 12/2004
    Engine 8285 cccm, 10 Zyl , 20 V 4999 cccm, 10 Zyl , 40 V
    Power 506 PS (372 KW) @ 5600/min 507 PS (373 KW) @ 775/min
    Torque 711 Nm @ 4200/min 520 Nm @ 6100/min
    Transmission 0 (6) 2 (7)
    Weight 1585 Kg 1844 Kg
    Weight / BhP 3,1 Kg / PS 3,6 Kg/ PS
    0 - 100 Km/h 4,5 s 4,5 s
    0 - 200 Km/h 14 s 13,8 s
    0 - 200-0 Km/h 19,2 s 19,2 s
    Top Speed 306 Km/h 269 Km/h * el. begrenzt
    80 - 120 Km/h 4.Gear 4,5 s 4,5 s
    100 - 0 Km/h hot 34,3 m , 11,3 m/s 36,1 m , 10,7 m/s
    Transverse Acceleration 1,25 g 1,2 g
    Slalom Course 36 / 110m 127 / 146 Km/h 128 / 136 Km/h
    Round Time Nuerburgring 8.13 min 8.13 min
    Round Time Hockenheim 1.14,9 min 1.16,5 min
  • 07-15-2007, 05:03 AM
    Z3

    Re: oh you meant viper no match for M5

    This answers all your hilarious questions comparing a wooly handeling car to something as prestine as a M sport engineered Bmw! Viper: Plastic Dummy Bmw: A real car engineerd around a family, Not a refuse sack. You know any Bmw is far supirior to most cars out there that`s why there is always a limited few who have to strugle to come up with something that can beat a Bmw...it`s all just plain jealousy! Bmw best engine of the year/M5/M3/330Ci/320D/330D..not even Audi can match that! And LEXUS well apart from having a quiet cabin their cars are a joke @ $160,000. BMW remain the cars to beat! afterall look at the new M3! Now that everybody would buy it has everything, Bngle is takinh Van Heudonk seriously! Can`t wait for the new Coupe`
    END
  • 05-20-2007, 03:37 AM
    DINANM540

    Your DUMB!

    You take a 500HP Viper and run against an M5 with 500HP on the LIE? You call that racing? Thats called reckless driving! The LIE is packed with people that have families! Families traveling everyday back and fourth from Brooklyn, ball games, ETC. The LIE stays packed with people! Then you take your 500HP Viper and you run around crazy on the LIE??? Are u stupid!!!! Your going to kill someone (maybe kids in a minivan) or maybe yourself! Take your Viper to a track where its away from innocent people & kids! Your no race driver! FACT! Your a reckless driver! And you dont impress me with how u beat an M5! You wanna run for real?? Take your Viper to englishtown raceway and run against other vettes & porsches! not a family sports sedan on public streets!
  • 03-17-2007, 12:34 AM
    Jimmy9

    Re: M5 no Match for Viper

    I don't really understand the arguement. The only thing the 2 cars have in common is 500hp....that's it. The Viper is a 2 door, super sports car.....relatively stripped down & light weight, for speed. The M5 is a sport sedan. While the Viper is faster - especially at the low end in a short track drag race, it can't touch the fit, finish, amenities & options of the M5. They're worlds apart. Match up the Viper with the Vet & match the M5 with something like the Audi S6 (the Audi would lose the race).

    The Viper looks hot, but if you need a sedan (and/or a sedan look) and you want it to be really fast, the M5 is a fatastic option; it looks like a sporty sedan with monster under the hood. I'm a Realtor & I have the '07 M5. Funny thing is half my clients have no idea what my car is or does & the other half salivate with jealousy over it!
  • 03-14-2007, 08:35 PM
    Peter G.

    Re: M5 no Match for Viper

    Uh, I believe the Viper won that race. At 0.47 in the video there is at least one frame in which the Viper is showing a final time but the M5 is not yet showing a time. I did a screen grab (with no Photoshop funny business!). The camera is positioned so that it is impossible to see the final times for the cars, so there's no other way to know who won the race.
  • 03-14-2007, 12:23 PM
    tommybes

    Re: M5 no Match for Viper

    M5 beats Viper in race.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0VCA6JbHnE
  • 12-20-2006, 01:47 AM
    DinanM525

    Go to a Viper forum LongIslandSnake

    then send us a link about the convo, I think we know, A viper is fast, you could be better off saying a C6 Z06 is faster and you might of bought the wrong car for the 1/4 mile if you compare a viper to a M5. Z06 is the bang for the buck these days
  • 12-16-2006, 02:47 PM
    mbs911

    I have both cars....

    I love them! I haven't gotten the chance to take my 07M5 out on the track, but I will report back when I do. Viper is a ton of fun, and a monster on the track if you know how to drive.
  • 12-12-2006, 04:52 AM
    Percy Faith

    Viper = tupperware car

  • 11-22-2006, 11:49 PM
    BMW4631

    Re: M5 no Match for Viper

    I agree that a viper may be faster in acceleration than an M5 but only to a certain point. The viper has more torque to offer but because of their truck engine inheritage, the power band is available at lower rpm than that of the bmw engine. In other words, if you drag race both cars up to 60, the viper wins all the time. however past 120 and up to 205 i am not sure it s going to be such a clear cut...

  • 09-25-2006, 04:51 PM
    AprilGoose

    Is the 06' Viper faster than an 03'?

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