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MY3RDZ · 05-12-2005 05:30 PM

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

Long article, but worth reading for republicans and democrats alike...enjoy the article and be aware...

**TexZan** · 05-13-2005 12:42 AM

I only read the first page because, well, I got bored with it after a while. This guy makes some good points but I never heard a solution which makes this sound more like a scare tactic than anything else. Yes we need to do something but I'm not going to worry myself sick and start stockpiling food/oil/gas in my closets.

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**jtp** · 05-13-2005 10:42 AM

What makes you think we'd be more convinced now?

Chicken Little

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**z3RIFFRAFF** · 05-13-2005 01:13 PM

This looks like a nice sales pitch to sell books. If this person (or people) were really that concerned about this, they would provide this information free of charge to better our society. But it seems to me that they are opportunists (just like the oil companies) who slant information in a way that helps them gain money (ExxonMobile made record profits this past quarter so is oil really as expensive as they say it is?).

There is a lot of money to be made from hype. Do you have any financial interest in this book?

I do think we need to be concerned about our resources and not waste them, but we managed to survive the .com meltdown and the telecommunications meltdown. We just might have to walk a little further....
I'd keep playing! I don't think the heavy stuff will be coming down for quite a while!
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**z3bigdaddy** · 05-13-2005 01:27 PM

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**z3RIFFRAFF** · 05-13-2005 01:49 PM

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**jtp** · 05-13-2005 02:20 PM

MY3RDZ is convinced that any day now, Earth is going to stop belching oil into mankind's oil wells. If that's the case, there can be only one solution - we need to find alternate sources of power for our Z3s! Here are some ideas, feel free to add your own:

1) A large rubber band running from axle to axle that you wind up in the morning and as it unwinds, it turns the differential, thus giving you propulsion.
2) Steam power. Put a big boiler on the back of your Z3 (make sure the lip is to the front) and harness the power of steam. We could use either coal or wood as the heat source - depending on where in the country you are.
3) Wind Power. Put a sail on your car. Tacking against the wind will be pretty difficult given the constraints of the average road's lane width.
4) Magnets. Put a big magnet in the front of your car and a big magnet where you need to go. The two will attract each other and voila - you are there!
5) Solar power. Replace that silly soft top with an array of photovoltaic cells and away we go.
6) "Natural" gas. Insert an enema tube, eat a can of beans, and self-propel to your destination.
7) 1.21 gigawatts!? Install a lightning rod on your car and harness the power of lightning. Just be careful with the whole time-travel thing. A Delorean may be able to handle it, but soft-tops were not tested or intended for time travel.
8)Evolution. I recommend that we begin an immediate, rapid evolutionary course toward being independently mobile. We should all focus on growing wheels, power trains, etc. Eventually, we won't need cars, oil, anything. We'll just go where we want when we want.

As I said, feel free to add your own suggestions.

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**TexZan** · 05-13-2005 02:36 PM

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MY3RDZ · 05-13-2005 03:36 PM

you will understand there is no real solution, just a few ways to slow it down. It's finite resource. There is more, but much harder and more expensive to extract and not enough to keep up with growing demand from China, India and the U.S. The days of cheap oil are pretty much gone. We may see it go up and down a bit over the next couple of years, but the demand is only increasing.

We have already accomplished some interim solutions and slowed it down for a few years, but have ignored many other choices that would have made a bigger difference (see Jimmy Carter's energy policy). So now we will have to play catch up. IF we can catch up at all.

Believe me, I didn't want to listen either, but as I read more of this article, the attached links and what respected scientists worldwide along with conservative leaders worldwide have to say about this problem on other web sites it makes much more sense. Granted, I think this author is a bit overboard on some of his dire predictions, but oil prices will sky rocket, maybe not in 3-5 years like he predicts, but more like 7-12. How this impacts the world economy is a good guess. Probably somewhere south of 50% of what this author is predicting.

If people choose not to read and be uninformed, that's cool. Your choice. Facing change is hard, especially to a way of life we have come to be comfortable with and know. I know I don't like the sound of it.

MY3RDZ · 05-13-2005 03:38 PM

they are so well informed and well read.

**jtp** · 05-13-2005 03:42 PM

The fact that oil reserves are a finite resource is nothing new. The fact that we will some day have to come up with some other alternative isn't a ground-breaking revelation. Making that into a doomsday prediction just makes people, like you, look silly.

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MY3RDZ · 05-13-2005 03:45 PM

doomsday predictions are not based on hard scientific evidence.

**jtp** · 05-13-2005 03:49 PM

You are much more likely to get people to buy your crack than to accept that the world is going to run out of oil in a matter of years.

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MY3RDZ · 05-13-2005 03:49 PM

we are going to have to agree to disagree here on this issue and see who is right in 5-10 years. My guess is it will be somewhere in the middle. But for now appreciate your cheap oil and the good American soldiers who have died to protect it.

If I look silly, that's okay, alot of good scientists and artists have looked silly in the past... Pasteur, Coperncicus, Alexander Bell, DaVinci, etc....

**jtp** · 05-13-2005 03:58 PM

You are pointing out a few scientists who ended up being successful at what they did. I would liken you more to the thousands of "scientists" who told us that the earth was flat, that the earth was the center of the solar system, etc. Although they thought they had the answer, turns out they were wrong. Check the mirror, my friend.

I'm not saying that oil is an infinite resource. I just don't see things as grimly, or as iminently, as you would like to portray them. Do you really believe that when oil starts to dwindle, mankind will not be able to adjust!? Do you really think that we will be able to come up with no alternative source!? You sell your species short.

And if oil was on the precipice of running out, don't you think the arab states would be charging an absolute premium for the precious reserves that remain? Oil prices have gone up some, but not nearly to the magnitude that your model would predict.

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MY3RDZ · 05-13-2005 04:15 PM

you forget about the polictical and macro-economic worldwide implications if the Arabs raised the oil prices drastically. Plus, you have to keep the Bush dynasty ties to the Arabs in mind as well.

Btw, I don't need to, "check the mirror", I am seeing just fine. It you, my friend, that is in the fun house

We can keep up the snide comments or we can stick to the subject. Give me my wings if you must, but I vote we debate the issues.

MY3RDZ · 05-13-2005 04:17 PM

You have NO sense of humor. Bet you're a blast to live with....

**jtp** · 05-13-2005 04:25 PM

And yet you have not responded. I gave my water supply analogy to your first post. No response. I gave what you admit are "good points" in this thread. No response. Z3BD asked what you want us to do about it. No response. I don't think you really want a debate, you just want us to suddenly agree that the sky is falling. You don't provide a solution, you just spout about your doomsday prediction. I'll take a pass, thanks. But hey, have fun!

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