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    Re: yes, again, things about the engine, quote him

    I agreed with you on that. If you take away the speed and performance (which we might use say 10% of the time), he really didn't like the car one bit. So, let say you drive this car as a daily driver with "only 400 HP", it really makes it a BAD daily driver car according to the show.

    Let's face it, 99.9% of the guys who just put down $100K for a car is not going to bad mouth it. Buyers are smart people, only time will tell how this car will do in the US. So far, I have to say, it's not doing well at all.

    This M5 thing reminds me of the Lotus Elise. Lotus USA claimed a long 2 year waitlist. But only a few months into the introduction, the 2 year waitlist is gone. Next is, dealer have 10, 20 or even 30 Elises in some markets just sitting at dealerships. Now that 2006 Elises are here, the 2005 are going to take a blood bath soon. Just wait and see.

    I know M5 will not be like the Elise, but still, it's far from what dealers were expecting.


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    Do not accuse people of lying -

    When they are only stating their own personal opinion.

    Read his posts, he clearly states M5 has been a mistake for me.

    He is not saying it has been or will be a mistake for you.
    As he is stating his own personal opinion rather than general view, his personal opinion is what he feels is relevant to his own experience with the car.

    Instead of accusing people of lying (and thus you become the liar) you should read the opinions he has posted clearly, and give him the benefit of the doubt.

    You may love your m5, but it does not mean everybody else should also.

    Almost all of the e55 owners in the mbworld love their e55 but you don't like it much. Does that mean you are a liar about e55? Of course not you are stating your own personal opinion.

    Understand that not everybody think like you.

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    Re: Gosh you are the KK guy in mbworld forums

    Yes--it appears KK is krispykreme--and he is the same attitude-filled person here as he has been on mbworld, m5board, ********, etc.

    He believes that anybody who doesn't agree with him is stupid, and then he attacks them, even goes as far as to call people out and tell them he wants to meet them in person!

    He goes from board to board being rude to people, then moves on to the next board when he has worn out his welcome!

    You know what they say...money can't buy class.
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    Not sure all the flaming is called for!

    Scrolling down the thread, I have to say this is a disappointing response.... I thought we'd grown out of this sort of thing!!! I think jal deserves credit (not abuse) for being honest about his experience, and helping prevent others being disappointed.

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    100% agree!


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    There is a difference between different opinion

    and lies.

    I read through all of his post and none of them made sense what so ever.

    1. Compare pushrod 5.0 16V V8 with 215HP on a mustang to a 5.0 V10 40 valves with 11.8:1 compression is totally none sense. Pushrod V8 with low output is going to have way better gas mileage than a high output V10 that is designed to maximize performance from a mere 5.0 displacement. Now he turns around and complain and compare the gas mileage between the two and states that he has no warning? Yeah, this makes sense. There is already a similar 5.0 V10 in the gallardo.

    2. To state that mustang and M3 can be driven smoothly around town while SMGIII equipped M5 can't is also a lie. Save the few US E36 M3 with automatic. M3 is a manual car (regardless whether its SMG or not). Anyone that claimed to have owned either a mustang or M3 must have driven manual and therefore must have learned and knows that you need to feather the throttle when shifting. With SMGIII you still need to drive it like a manual. Hence SMGIII is very smooth provided that you know how to drive a manual. His post simply contradict himself. In other words, he lied.

    3. In his other post, he states that SMGIII shifts up and down constantly is another lie. In manual mode SMGIII will not shift up and down constantly unless your RPM drops down too much and the car will have potential of stalling (again no different from any manual). In auto mode, same thing applies on downshift, and upshift will occur like you do in automatic when BMW will determine the optimal point (there is no difference, and after using it for couple days, you can time it easily. SMGIII in auto mode is quiet smooth. Therefore another lie from him.

    4. Another BS regarding the small tank. BMW already told anyone who plan to buy the M5 that gas tank is going to be small more than a year ahead of release. To claim that he does not have fair warning is another lie.

    5. M5 is more luxurious than E55. This is simply not the case. M5's interior is never about luxury. To bash E55 on this front is another lie.

    6. "unfortunately means chugging along at low speeds constantly shifting in in a 500HP car!". This is another lie. M5 can reach 80 mph in 2nd gear. In low speed driving there is no need to shift anything higher than 2nd gear. Moreover, you can launch from dead stop with 2nd gear. Constant shift? That is another lie. The fact of matter is for driving around the town, you can use only 2nd gear all the time. Again another lie.

    7. "where it there is constant starts and stops. I liken it more to the kind of traffic where, in a stick, one might simply need to let out the clutch only to re-engage it immedialey, or partially engage it." Again another lie. SMG takes away the clutch pedal all gear shift is down buy pushing the gear selector or the pedal. How is SMG more difficult to drive since SMG give back your left leg? How is feathering the throttle any different from any manual? For someone to claim to have driven M3/mustang (must have a manual somewhere along the line), how is this more difficult? Again another lie.

    I have no problem with people not liking the M5. I have my share of dislike on it. For example, lack of low end torque, lack of trunk closer, and there really is no space for you to open up the M5's power unless you risk your license.

    You can slam the M5 all you want as long as its truthful. But none of his comment were true. I have a problem with that. You don't have to like the M5, but there is no need to make up lies about it. People like JAL is simply a liar. Simple as that.

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    I am sick and tired of your egoistic twisted mind.


    Look yourself in the mirror and who has attitude problem?

    All i said in the ******** in response to your post on M5 test drive was that in order to be more convincing that M5 is a great car, you should go ahead and buy one. Your egoistic twisted mind has to take it as attack on you. I guess everything is about you and you.

    I will call out a person when my integrity is questioned. If you can't bother to read, Stephen the liar called me out 1st. I was respond in kind. So you can kiss my rear on that.

    Worn out my welcome? Last time i check, I am still on mbworld and still posting on daily basis. Care to back up your statement of moving to board to board.

    I have been posting on roadfly since 2001. So you can take your twisted comment and shove it up your rear.

    I don't care what other people thinks, people like you have too much ego tied to your cars.

    yes, money does not buy class. however buying a BMW does not give you class either?

    Class? Only egoistic person would mention something about class. You are one of them. Everything has to center around you and you right?

    I am a very straight forward, and i can careless about what you so call class. If you don't like my post, tough. You can take your class comment and lies and shove it up you rear.

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    Me thinks thou dost protest too much


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    Sad really


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    I had the same experience at first with M3 SMG

    I had the same experience with the first SMG I bought, I just had to keep trying different program modes, finally to just drive around town I end up leaving it in auto-mode in the lowest setting. Give it a little more time, it took me a couple of weeks, I was sick as well

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    Going to have read your detailed review!


    Friend of mine bought one here in Texas and seems pretty happy that it hauls the coals in a straight line.

    One of my secretaries was going for one she had ordered.......but on further research opted out.

    She actually looked at the car when it came into the dealership last week and decided no. ;)





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    Sorry to hear your dissapointment....

    I cried the first time I saw an AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION M3 back when I was driving a 1997 M3 luxury. I thought it was pathetic for an M Car, and such was the DEATHBLOW to the Ford Taurus SHO, after changing to an Automatic the Car Died off.

    I drive an RS6 and love it, but it should have a 6 speed automatic. I do appreciate the automatic for its great conveniences, but I rather 'suffer' with a 6 speed and have the extra performance.

    My dad is consider a new M5 but his current M5 (prior model) is GREAT. The drive is great, the handling great, and as far as I know the Nav system is great.

    Perhaps there will be a reprogram to fix the M5 SMG issues????

    I know that BMW is fanatical about getting things right, so don't loose hope just yet.

    But for my money I'd wait for the promised 6 speed M5.

    Mike

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    Re: M5 has been a mistake for Me

    Thank you for your honesty JAL. I had second thoughts about taking delivery after reading your posts. I decided to take the M5 and I'm glad I did. You may find that you get more used to the tranny as time goes on, and as it breaks in. If I was doing a lot of inner city stop and go, it would not be the right car, but for suburban and rural driving it is fun and very engaging. Just my 2 cents.

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    E60 M5 will turn out to be a semi flop

    Given the initial mixed reports from drivers I think this generation m5 will be the least liked of the last three M5 generations. It just too damn big. I have not driven the car but sat in one and looking over the hood just did not feel right.

    I have an e46 M3 now and drove an e39 530i before that. The e39 was near perfect in diminsions for a 4 door in that class but BMW has grown with the market demands for bigger cars. However, it just does not fit well with the performance M brands.

    The E90 M3 (four door) if produced will kill this M5 generation in terms of appeal and driveability. BMW just missed the 5 series design all together. The new 3 series works well as BMW could not mess the with the "cash cow" for the company.

    I think an M5 for $2k over invoice is all you will need to pay in 6 months assuming you want one at all.

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    What kind of Mileage are you getting?


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    You are right. I just received a call from my

    dealer in Bryan, Texas. I had never inquired about an M5. Apparently one will be available in their allocation in three weeks and his message in my mailbox was that he had asked the service advisor if he had any customers that would be interested in the M5 and that how he got my number.

    Well I decided to see how the car was faring and after reading this board I can see why the car is all of sudden so 'available'.

    I am going to pass and wait for the next generation 'M3' as stable mate to my other Bimmers.

    If anyone wants an M5, call Garlyn Shelton BMW in Bryan, TX. I have always unmatched deals from them.

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    I thank you. I for one bought a Z8 in 2001 sight

    unseen without a test drive. I still love the car today. DO NOT call yourself a putz.

    You loved it and bought it with the expectation that you were not spending $10K on a hyundai, rather the 'ultimate driving machine'.

    Shame on BMW...not you.

    Thanks for letting us know. I was waiting on a M6 as well. Now I will put the money to better use.

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    Big girls don't cry. Sorry I had to say that.

    BMW screwed the pooch with the USA version of the E36 M3. The Euro one was a great car and even offered the earlier version of the SMG. That BMW labelled the USA version with the M badge was a travesty I hope they never repeat.

    I drove an RS6 when they first came out and agree that the automatic box really takes the edge off the car.

    I also drove the original Taurus SHO when it was a new car. I was surprised with how good it was on the track. I thought that the Yanks had finally figured out the enthusiast market. They were on the right track there.

    The new M5 is a great car. If I was living on the Autobahn and had lots of money I would consider it a keeper, and a huge step up from the E39 M5. If I enjoyed shifting for myself, and I do, and was not looking ro exploit the the absolutely astounding performance on a regular basis, I would be quite content with the older M5.

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    Re: M5 has been a mistake for Me

    JAL,

    Don't feel bad. A family friend, who buys every (yes every) new top line car is making a similar complaint. He loves the car and hates the transmission. This is coming from a guy who has driven everything out there. His current inventory includes the Bentley GT, Carrara GT & SLR.

    My guess is BMW missed with the testing and didn't factor the traffic condition into the mix as heavily as they should have.

    I can say, from personal experience, I have pruchased cars with blemishes I didn't see. I was obviously blinded by the lust that hits all of us from time to time. Call it ego, want or a dream.. everyone on this board has it at some level. If they didn't, they would be driving simple transportation and wouldn't have time to be posting on auto boards.

    I would think you should be able to sell this car and pick up something more in line with your needs.

    Good Luck,

    Mark M (not the same as the other poster)

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