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    Well, I now have 100 miles (really "racking them up" in three weeks) on my new 650i Coupe and am an unhappy Camper. I sold my 930S Porsche Turbo when I bought this car and feel I made a big mistake. I need some opinions from you guys.

    Unquestionably the 650i is a gorgeous and incredibly well made car, but you don't drive it - it drives you. I'm not used to all of the automatic computerized functions and to be quite honest, wonder why they are there? I'll probably never use 75% of them. Auto rain sensing wipers. HUH? IDRIVE, double HUH?

    Is it just me that feels the IDRIVE is an overdone piece of nonsense, or am I in the minority? Wouldn't it be easier to just push a button to turn on the radio, or the nav, or whatever, instead of wasting time with all of those insane menus and control buttons? Is it just typical Teutonic over engineering or what? Are all of the new cars this much over computerized?

    Help - I need some hand-holding and probably a 12 Volume User's Manual!

    (Incidentally, isn't the steering wheel button supposed to move the wheel in and out as well as up and down - or is mine not functioning properly already?) Thanks for allowing me to vent.

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    I won't argue the merits of iDrive. Works fine for me, although a little slow, but I like the clean uncluttered look without buttons. Between being used to the system, voice commands and steering wheel buttons, I rarely have to take my eyes off the road.

    I assume you found the proper button, just behind the left spoke near where the cruise stalk goes into the column. If so, yes it contols up/down, in/out.

    As I do not track car, or street race, I do not object to the car controls as provided. I know enough to leave DSC on unless I really have the location and space to take it off. On the big 6 I like the ARS, but do believe on a smaller, lighter car probably would not as I would probably like more feel.

    Yep, not a Porsche, but after 28,000 miles in 17 months I am glad.


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    Re: Why?

    Cobradev:

    Thanks for the reply. I actually agree with most of your well-reasoned thoughts. Guess it's just my sour mood today and having grown up in the muscle car era.

    By the way, apparently it is something in the steering wheel switch or adjustment mechanism - I am using the proper switch.

    I'll let you have further thoughts on IDRIVE after 10,000 miles (probably 2 1/2 years from now!).

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    I'd recommend dedicating one or two uninterrupted hours in your driveway to getting familiar with I-drive. Just get out the manual, turn on the ignition, and step through all the menues. Refer to the manual as needed and try out all the menues using the controller. I did this when I first got my coupe and it made a huge difference in how I felt about the car. You'll soon be comfortable using a combination of dash controls, steering wheel buttons, voice commands, and I-drive to make the car do what you want. You may even feel, as I do, that BMW has given you a beautifully gift-wrapped package of modern technology that enhances the GT driving experience. I, too, came to the 6 from a Porsche 911. Even two years later, I sometimes miss the Porsche, but overall, I wouldn't go back.

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    AWZ:

    I have done what you suggested and on Tuesday took the 650i for a short 200 mile jog.

    Admittedly, I am getting used to all of the computerized bells and whistles and agree that the 650i is the "perfect" GT coupe. However, my heart still belongs to the 930S Turbo! It'll take a while, since I had it for 18 years. I would have kept it if I had had the garage space (I live in a Condo building). Oh well, time heals all wounds - the 650i is one heck of a wound healer, though.

    My only real annoyances on the 650i presently however, are the "fasten seat belt" chime (I'm currently looking around for an extra belt clip to insert in the buckle, in order to silence it when I'm not wearing the belt) and the NAV lady who keeps telling me to "safely make a U-Turn" when, in fact, that would take me the wrong way!

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    I too just too delivery of a 650 coupe. I have about 250 miles on it. I find the Idrive VERY annoying, and I'm an engineer living in silicon valley so I'm not overwhelmed by technology. My biggest complaints are 1) the Idrive is slooooowwwww 2) the screen to screen navigation is not well thought out 3) despite the appearance of being able to program all these differnet car features there are many that are missing.

    One of the most annoying missing features to me is that you can't set different tone/equalizer/HD radio on/off uniquely for each stored station. For heavens sakes my 2003 Chevy Trailblazer lets me set a different tone setting for each stored station. Two obvious examples why this is useful are you might set the tone very differently for rock then you do for AM talk radio. Also HD works best when you've got a good strong signal. If the station is a little further away it pops in/out of HD (which gives rise to some very annoying echoes and very odd sounds). The manual says "its best to leave it off". So three stations here give good HD reception but the next two on my setting don't. So you need to go thru like five different screens to disable HD. Which is now off for all stations. What a pain. Feels like a waste of a $500 (maybe $1000) option to me.

    I'm too f**kin' annoyed to say more now.... like the stupid seat belt alarm which continues to chime for 2 minutes after you're in park.

    Yeah it drives great. Too bad there isn't an option for No Idrive.

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    Nav lady voice

    Dont forget you can silence the nav voice by choosing the mute setting on the left side of the menu screen. I tend to keep my lady silent and just look at her for direction when needed!

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    From one who appreciates balance and a logical setup iDrive interface, don't sweat the small stuff. Spend some time learning your vehicle and you will begin to appreciate the fine piece of machinery you have.

    Is the entire package perfect? No, but as I started my reply post, "Balance".

    GMANEnjoy the drive...

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    whats that mambo jumbo under the signature ?

    iDrive is an answer for a question that was never asked. We have been able to control everything with buttons, so iDrive and the display does nothing but makes it more fancy. I personly do not want an another computer in my car and don't want the car to wipe my fanny. I just want to drive it and enjoy it. Hard to enjoy something that controls you and not controlling it. You are a passenger with limited control in the newer cars and people love it so this is the future. now all said, can I go back to the past ?

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    What's one more computer amoungst 20 or so? I do more things without taking my eyes of road with iDrive than without it. However, for those that don't like iDrive you can get an e60, e90 or e92 without it. Nice 8. Just saw a 850CSi friend purchased a couple weeks ago with 120k miles. Really excellent condition, interior condition was the best I've seen, although my experience with the 8 is very limited.
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    Your recent posts offer an interesting...

    perspective. We are all entitled to our opinions and free to make choices on our automobiles. I found your comments on the SL550 on this forum instructive, if at odds with your diatribe against iDrive and electronic systems in all of today's upper-end models, especially including the new 997TT and the F430. To each his own. I humbly suggest that you try living with your favored SL550 vs the 650i conv that you consider ugly. I have had an 03 SL500 and 03 CL55 and far prefer my 650i conv, but will not attempt to change your mind. I truly wish that you enjoy your ride.

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    what is objective against the SL500 (SL550) ?

    have had a few MBs and found the service superior to BMW's. at every single time I might add. Never had a problem with the service dep or the mechanics and I wish I could tell a story when I had no problem at BMW.
    anyway the MB sure has their own share of technological nighmares. having had a few of them I know that they are weak in term of electronics and some mechanical elements also compare to the 80's and early 90's rock solid MB cars.
    But sure does BMW and with a recent change in style and direction from BMW it seems as they leaped forward a bit too fast, too giant of a steps in order to maintain the lead in sport sedan category. iDrive is/was a nightmare for most people. I have tried it and hated it. Sure i tried the 2st generation in 2002 and 2003 noting ever since. I just feel that I do not need that much of a control in a car and all functions can be done by pressing a button. When was the last time you could not find a button in a car for the job you wanted to do ?
    MB and Audi have copied the perfected the iDrive and I have used Audi's version. Sure it is better but still not needed. The good thing was that most normal function was controllable on the dash by pushing abutton versus iDrive where most function controlled by the iDrive.
    As far as taste goes, I think I'm not alone who says the 650 looks downright ugly compare to the SL550. The ragtop alone is a weird looking object from the rear, I could not figure out the reason for that odd shape, unless aerodynamics.
    at the end of the day if a porsche is released it is always impressive without explanations. Most MB's are beautiful designs regardless of the mechanicals and electronics, just by looking at them. The BMW's were the same till the 2002 7 series. Since then we all heard the explanation that it is actually a really nice car with lines that somewhere in a distance connect and create a convex concav complex shape which makes it really neat. Sure, you can tell a woman is nice if you turn off the light and drink a dozen margaritas... but that will not make it good. a good design is instantly captures you and without even knowing what do you like on it you just love it. Aston MArtin DB9 and Vanquish, MB SL500, E46 BMW, I might add the 8 series too, many many automobiles have a line that is pleasing to the eye. Not neccessary older cars, I like most new MB's look. The new SLK is absolutely stunning, a BMW Z8 is awesome, and in a less expensive categories - the new Honda Civic 2dr coupe is just one pretty coupe. On the mid price sedan catergory t h e Infiniti G and higher end M cars are simply elegant designs. SUre people would say a BMW is a better car - might be but we were talking about design and not which one goes faster or have more electronics gadgets inside. ALl that is not important to me. Even the engine power is not that important anymore. All newer cars can easily double the speed of the speedlimit, so whats the point ? a 325HP family sedan that does 0-60 in under 6.5s and sits 4 confortably and carries all the luggage isn't enough ? if anybody says NO, then please tell me where do you live and I move there too. I lived on the east coast since I moved to the US from europe and I found it hard to speed over 80-90mph for longer period of time. If you do you risk your license ticket even jail time. so I stopped drivign like a mad european and slowed down to the us speed limit.

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    Enjoy your ride!


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    Very Different Cars

    The Porsche does what its supposed to do extremely well. So does the 650i. The BMW is more of a GT, among other things. I wouldn't form any hard opinions after 100 miles, especially if you've never used anything like an iDrive device before. Even the passengers in my car have been able to use the 650i's iDrive device without too much difficulty, so you'll be a pro at it soon enough (iDrive is MUCH better today than it was in 2002). After a while, you'll wonder how you lived without some of the nice features of the BMW. As has been noted elsewhere, the button that controls the steering column's tilt also controls the telescoping feature, too -- if it's not working properly, have it checked by the dealer.

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    Joe B:

    Great reply. You're correctamento. I'm thinking more clearly today. Thanks.

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    Hang in there. You'll end up loving your new car. It's a paradigm shift. The techy I drive is pretty much bull though (it's obviously faster to just turn on the f'ing radio), but it offers a lot and it's not no frustrating once it becomes familiar (in about 9 months). It is taking me a long time to understand my M6, but it's a great car. I started with a 7 series, so the tech confusion is less that you're experiencing.

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    M6 Review?

    I have a deposit down on the M6 Convertible (I drive a 645 convertible currently) and would love to hear your thoughts on the M6 Couple. What do you like about it/not like, etc.

    Any insight would be much appreciated since I most likely won't be able to test drive before I plunk down the cash!

    Thanks in Advance.

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    LOVE my M6

    Is far more comfy than the M3. Great go power.

    My complaint is with the iDrive. Since you have that already, it's prolly not a problem to u.

    Other issue is gas mileage. Gets 12mpg in town, 16 on road, with a small tank. Gotta fill it up too often.

    I like not having the sunroof overhead, one thing less to go wrong and gives more headroom.

    While the 645 performs strong, the M6 is awesome.

    It's like a 645 on steroids.

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    Glad to read your post. I have been thinking of

    I also think the idrive is a joke. It is the main reason why I may not sell the 2002M3 for the 650. I also do not like the fact you can not place the back seats down for more trunk space. I drove one for the first time yesterday. It felt nice. Had enough power. Like you said, it does drive you. I am OK with that for now. I live in LA and I am sick of driving a stick and wan't to "just cruse" for a while. If you have any more insite I am all ears. Take care.


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    I didn't like PC mouse at first either, but then

    after getting accustomed, it and i-Drive became second nature. Provides a lot of individual control without cluttering up with a bunch of seldom used buttons and knobs.

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