worst car crash test ever on modern cars

**lezonebay** · 08-19-2007 02:57 PM

just an another proof that everything comes out of china is a load of CRAP.
This SUV is a new vehicle for 2006, in europe. the speed is 64km/h which is about 40mph. I bet an old yugo would perform similarly.

I seriously consider not buying nay chinese product in a future. I already made changes, if there is 2 equal item I buy the one thats not made in china. They infiltrate the world with their crap. they slowly kill us with their crappy items. nothing ever works, all things fall apart causing anger and frustration. have you ever had anything from china that worked perfectly, had no fault and lasted more then a warranty period ?
I sure did NOT !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Ts94rjr4M&mode=related&search=

**PumpedTSI** · 08-19-2007 06:57 PM

Actually Laz, the problem with chinese products and manufacturing is a little thing called "quality control"...........they are VERY capable of making quality products like europeans or americans but lack this little ingredient in the mix thus the cheap crap. Many american companies are now using China BUT have put quality controls in place and thus have no issues.........92 Dinan Twin Turbo Stage III

Damon R. · 08-19-2007 08:40 PM

They use to think Japanese cars were junk, too. Look where that got the U.S.

With TQM programs the Chinese can match anyone.

Russell in Fairfax, VA · 08-19-2007 09:04 PM

**Faisal_in_Laurel** · 08-20-2007 01:26 PM

Most Chinese plants use Lean Sigma processes. Lean Sigma has it's place but a when it comes to Vehicle Safety A full Six Sigma process set with constant variance reduction must be implemented. That is because Six Sigma has been able to move beyond its roots in manufacturing into other related areas (Installation, Component procurement, engineering practice and innovation, etc.) , while Lean is still largely a tool to improve manufacturing processes only.

China talks about TQM but does not carry it through the full course unless it is an US Company with manufacturing plant in China. The Lead laced toys are one example.

BTW. My computers are made in Japan and Malaysia. Dell has a Full TQM process set for it's plant with the most stringent AQLs, measurement process and QASP management.<html>
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**Mark in SBA** · 08-20-2007 06:08 PM

<a href="http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/ver/223/popup/index.php?cl=3720709">BMW 5-series fails the side impact test</a>

Must be those outsourced Chinese door panels.

**Faisal_in_Laurel** · 08-20-2007 07:27 PM

It received a "Marginal" rating. Also the airbags are the items that caused the issue (Timeline 00:40). From an engineering perspective it is very likely because of the Rate of Inflation which is an engineering design issue (force calculation) rather than a quality of production issue.

Also at the end of the clip it said that overall it "yielded positive results" (Timeline 00:50+).

I guess it was just the validation of Expensive does not mean quality and a Ferrari Enzo will perform less in a side impact than the 5 series.

Also Quality is directly related to requirements. If my primary requirement is lightweight yet a marginally strong dinner plate a Strong Paper Plate will be quality as opposed to Bone China(No pun intended).

But, I am not isolating China. You should have seen the gross disregard for quality for safety went into the Isuzu Rodeo SUV. It is as bad as this Chinese SUV. And don't get me started on US made construction metals.
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**lezonebay** · 08-20-2007 08:06 PM

taiwan, malasia, korea, singapoure, etc almost any other countries can make decent products but china. all they can make is cheap copy of a real item. no exception. again name 1 item in each category and then I believe.
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1997 840CiA
1990 Z1
2002 Astro Van
2002 Lexus GS300
2007 Mazda CX9 AWD
1998 Yamaha Blaster+Breeze

**lezonebay** · 08-20-2007 08:06 PM

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1997 840CiA
1990 Z1
2002 Astro Van
2002 Lexus GS300
2007 Mazda CX9 AWD
1998 Yamaha Blaster+Breeze

**Faisal_in_Laurel** · 08-20-2007 08:31 PM

Sigma is the discipline of Quality Control and Assurance. Just Google Six Sigma or Lean Sigma and you will know. I am a Six Sigma Black Belt.

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**lezonebay** · 08-21-2007 12:17 PM

good or defect. there is no in between. you do not need 6 sigma and anything else just 1 thing - if the product meets the required quality level - use it if not either throw it away or if possible fix it.
I have seen Samsung manufacturing monitors in Korea. same production line, monitors comes on a conveyor belt. quality check point - 3 levels are given level 1 - perfect monitor - gets Samsung sticker or IBM sticker (depending on orders) then level 2 - gets a no-brand sticker (or something like Wong) the 3rd level - goes back to repair.
same thing went on almost any level and at any product category.
if the quality was below the required minimum for samsung or one of their buyers but above the minimum for being able to use then it had a no-brand sticker.
also they applied the Made In USA sticker right in front of us to a monitor labeled as IBM and made surely and clearly in Korea. So much about labeling.
Also the Samsung computers used NEC floppy drives at the time when they were manufacturing floppy drives in a next building.

so yes I think if they want to make a good product they could the trouble is we don't see that. a same company who makes the perfect (almost) german quality items makes the crap. 5-15% of the top quality gets labels USA, Germany, etc. the rest gets the (in)famous Made In China.

6 sigma, TQM and other corporate mambo jumbo and number plays are what the large companies are doing nowdays. This is why we have so much crap on the shelfs and this is why products last only 7-10 years only. They build in a time switch by making parts as strong/solid as it is needed for 7-10 years. extensive testing can show the manufacturer the normal wear for an item. if they make it just perfectly on the edge, they sure to beat warranty and be in business in 7-10 years.

if all product would be designed for longer life span then we would have an economy problem after a while. Nobody would buy new a/c, fridge, tv, anything as the old one would still work.

China has adopted a -6 sigma process IMHO, 340,000defect per (one)Million opportunities.

just used a cut off saw that was made in China. The vibration was so large I could barely hold the tool with 1 hand. Then I switched to a product that was manufactured in the USA (supposedly or just a top 5% of a same chinese product) and 1 hand operation was easy.
if they can not make tools, electronics, don't even try and make an airplane, car, etc. you will fail for sure. <a href="http://mydrive.roadfly.com/photos/pic.php?u=56726KDZYN&i=8969"><img src="http://mydrive.roadfly.com/photos/pic.php?u=56726KDZYN&i=8969" border="0"></a>

1997 840CiA
1990 Z1
2002 Astro Van
2002 Lexus GS300
2007 Mazda CX9 AWD
1998 Yamaha Blaster+Breeze

**Faisal_in_Laurel** · 08-21-2007 01:05 PM

process you described for Samsung is a 4 sigma process. Now to add 2 more layers of quality control process would be even better.

For even the best of the best manufacturing plant (let's say Samsung)there will be a small percentage of defects. The Sigmas and TQM and all the processes are ways to minimize that.

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**lezonebay** · 08-21-2007 02:03 PM

apply any quality control for their products therefore endangering lives of animals, people. Both are wrong and if your cat/dog/pet would die because some idiot chinese person wanted to save 2 thosuands of a penny then you would feel the same way. Not the fact that it happens, it could happen to anybody even to Motorola, but the way they handle the problem is what really pisses me off. and the fact that EVERYTHING is crap. furniture, food, electronics, cars, clothes, everything. not a single product is worthy of the money we give them.
anyway I just wanted to make a point of having an another vehicle on a road with less then roadworthy crash tests.
too bad families with buy it with kids. <a href="http://mydrive.roadfly.com/photos/pic.php?u=56726KDZYN&i=8969"><img src="http://mydrive.roadfly.com/photos/pic.php?u=56726KDZYN&i=8969" border="0"></a>

1997 840CiA
1990 Z1
2002 Astro Van
2002 Lexus GS300
2007 Mazda CX9 AWD
1998 Yamaha Blaster+Breeze

**justaguyinokc** · 08-22-2007 06:44 PM

It just takes time (and a free market, which they are just beginning to experience).

When I was a teen, Japanese cars were CRAP (we called them recycled Coors cans). How time and Japanese products have progressed since then.

**davidc** · 08-24-2007 03:57 PM

TQM & other quality techniques being implemented in Japan long before we did in the US is why we got leapfrogged in Quality of our products.

Japan embraced Deming and his concepts while we did not until the 80's. It is great that we have finally begun doing it but:
Several of the concepts tend to conflict with our culture so are not as well implemented as they are in Japan.
They have a 30 year head start on us in experience implementing the concepts, process, and refining it.
They now have a legacy of high quality products while we do not.

Result: most car sales in the US are foreign, not domestic.

I believe in supporting American industries when we can but I am tired of having to maintain unreliable cars so sitting in my driveway is a 2007 Nissan Titan. Not a GM, FORD, or Dodge truck. Yes it has had its weak points, notably the rear axle made by .... Dana corporation, a US company. And our next SUV, when we replace our POS Jeep Grand Cherokee, will likely be a Toyota or Honda. You can't legislate or slogan away survival of the fittest.

The average reliability of US auto manufacturers just has not caught up. If it does it will have to stay caught up for years to change their reputation.

"It's a bunch of BS" in the rallying cry of companies heading for non-existence. Yes in some companies it is just for show & window dressing. Maybe they can sell their hardly used Quality manuals on fleabay aftet they go bankrupt.

Dave, ex Quality Assurance Manager and Quality Engineer.

**stuartyp** · 08-24-2007 11:24 PM

Crash test of a Chinese car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS0hZjvrRns

Check out the VW vanagon truck in the middle of this one,....SCARRY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvVbpP1zIos

Most of my money I spent on beer and women, the rest I just wasted. :)))

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