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    Type of Navigation System

    How can I tell which brand of navagation system my '01 XKR has. I want to make sure I buy the correct disc but there is no name on the DVD unit in the trunk. It has the Alpine sound system so does that mean it has the Alpine Nav system.

    Also, do you know if Jag updates the DVDs every year?

    Thanks!!!!

    Mark


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    Re: Type of Navigation System

    The navigation DVD itself will say Alpine or Denso. You can look on
    ebay and see pictures of both Alpine and Denso DVDs.

    You can see the following posting for a list of USA/Canada Alpine
    DVD rev levels.

    http://forums.roadfly.com/forums/jaguar/jaguar_xk8/7940225-1.html

    The actual data for the DVD is provided by Navteq.
    http://www.navteq.com/ In the past Navteq would just tell us
    to contact Jaguar.

    Several people have been told (including myself) that Jaguar is
    no longer updating the DVD.

    There has been some talk about trying to determine if a
    standard Navteq DVD would work. The concern is that the Jag DVD
    downloads (updates) firmware. There could also be an issue with
    general compatibility like what we found with Jag verses standard
    Alpine CD players.

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    Re: Type of Navigation System

    My 2001 XJR (used) came with an Alpine BM9JU91B (1999) disc. I have upgraded (by eBay) to an Alpine BM9JU91E (2002).

    It would be nice if there were upgrade options beyond the Alpine BM9JG91F (2002).

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    Re: Type of Navigation System

    Yes, you must purchase the Alpine Nav Disc for that Alpine system. the dealer will sell you one for $675.00.....OUCH!!! or you can buy a used disc on Ebay for about $150.00. The most recent one i know of is a 2003 version.

    No one has been able to tell me how often the discs are updated. good luck

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    Re: Type of Navigation System

    The Navteq disc should work in an Alpine Navigational System but you can always return it if it doesn't. I have a Denso Navigation system in my 2001 XKR and I believe most XKRs in this vintage all have Denso Systems. SDMacs car, which is several years newer than mine, also has the Denso system.

    My car has an Alpine stereo system but this bears no relation to the Nav system.

    There are no new disks for the Denso system beyond 2003 either from the dealer nor anywhere else, as far as I have been able to determine.

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    Becareful

    Navteq has told several of us that they do not provide disks for Jag - period (they provide the data to Jag and Jag has the CDs produced).
    Hence, we are suppose to get the Jag produced disks. They will not
    tells us if a disk they have will work or not - we have no clue "What"
    disk to even try if we wanted to.

    Two points to remember:
    -The disks update the system Firmware (FW) when it is first
    installed. In other words, you put in a newer version of the disk
    (than you currently have) and the first thing it does is update
    the FW. Hence, this is why the start-up screen gets changed from
    the Jag logo (old FW) to the analog clock (latest FW).

    -We have proven that the Alpine stereo system is not standard Alpine
    as the FW has been modified to that you are required to match the
    Jag head with a Jag CD changer etc....
    http://forums.roadfly.com/forums/jaguar/jaguar_xk8/8325931-1.html
    http://forums.roadfly.com/forums/jaguar/jaguar_xk8/8324950-1.html

    BTW: The disk itself clearly identifies if it is Alpine or Denso.
    My 2002 XKR 100 has an Alpine system.

    There are several of us that would love to find out if we can get
    something directly from Navteq as it appears that Jag is no longer
    producing any updates (and the update are very expensive). So far
    nobody has found any answer. I know I won't be taking the risk of
    possibly messing-up my FW "just to see if something works" even if
    I found a possible disk to try.



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    Re: Becareful

    One of the Nav version / FW update discussions

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    Dreemr,

    I've been looking at 03,04,05 XKRs on this rock, all have SatNav that doesn't work (Island not even on the database) I was assured that the Nov '07 issue would affect all '05 MY+ cars and give full SatNav coverage. (aslo perhaps 03+) The dealers I speak with have New XK's ,and the software HAS worked for them. In have an old clunker so I just don't know.

    Rich

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    There's no risk!

    Hi Dreemr,
    I bought off Ebay the UK disc for my German registered XK8 (MY2000), so often "toggle" between discs as I cross country borders. The UK DVD has the clock and slightly better traffic graphics, compared to the original Leaper version. It does absolutely no F/W harm at all to change between discs.
    I also have the French DVD and the Switzerland, Austria and Italy DVD and these cause no problems either.
    Cheers,
    Andy

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    Jag vs Navteq not Jag vs Jag

    Hello Andy,

    The risk I am trying to point out is putting a NON-Jag disk
    (i.e. Navteq) in your Jag may not be the best idea.

    Specifically, Roger had stated "The Navteq disc should work in an
    Alpine Navigational System but you can always return it if it doesn't."

    That is a risk I would not take without Jag or Navteq staying it
    would work (or at least it won't cause a problem).

    The fact that different rev levels of the Jag XK8/XKR disk works
    fine is understandable - I have two rev levels for my car.

    I pinged Navteq yesterday. The following is their response (same as I
    and others have received several times over the years)

    "Thank you for contacting NAVTEQ. While Jaguar uses our map data we neither produce nor distribute the disks for any of the XK Series vehicles. For update information please contact your nearest authorized Jaguar dealer or contact Jaguar direct at http://www.jaguarusa.com or 800.421.2284." -NAVTEQ Customer Contact Center

    So:
    -I have not seen/heard of anyone using a NON-Jag (XK8/XKR) disk
    in their XK8/XKR.
    -Several of us have asked if we can use a NON-Jag (XK8/XKR)
    disk in our XK8/XKR, so far we have not been told it would
    work nor have we been told "what" disk to even try.
    -It does not appear that Jag has produced an updated XK8/XKR disk
    for several years. All orders I (and others) have placed with
    Jag produce the same old disk. I have seen numerous disks on
    eBay (I have even bought one), none of these are newer that the
    latest rev level listed (most are the older rev levels).

    Disclaimer: It has been a while since I researched this topic. Maybe
    someone have newer info.

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    Re: Jag vs Navteq not Jag vs Jag

    Ok - I misunderstood!

    Navtech (or is it Navteq?) must be getting fed up with these queries. I was forever bugging them over this a couple of years back. Same Stonewalling replies, though!
    Cheers,
    Andy

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    Re: Jag vs Navteq not Jag vs Jag

    I also don't think the Navteq will do any harm, because there is no correct software on it for the Alpine unit we have, so it cannot load. No point in trying either, as it cannot work.

    Tomjac from the XKEC forum had contact with Alpine itself, and he mentioned that Alpine said they would be able to provide new firmware (their software, in combination with new maps). The drawback was that Alpine would need to have written consent from Jaguar that they may go ahead…

    So we only need to find someone who has a relative/or other close tie with someone working at Alpine, and we then may get a hold of such a copy ;-)

    Andre.

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    Re: Jag vs Navteq not Jag vs Jag

    Hi

    My 03MY XKR has a navigation DVD stamped Jaguar and Navteq. I too would like to update it, as an awful lot of UK roads have changed in four years! Plus there are blatent howlers in giving completely wrong directions - I mean 180 degrees wrong!!!

    I recently had the opportunity to try a Navteq DVD from a new high performance German sports coupe in my XKR - but it did not work in the Jag, it wouldn't even read - shame (but I was not impressed by the navigation in that car anyway). BTW - the XKR clock display also works from the DVD.

    So the bottom line is as I see it:

    1. We are not going to get any Navteq update. So buy a Tom-Tom!
    2. Putting someone elses disk in your player will not cause any damage as it does not affect firmware. Most everything operates from software - the same as it does in your PC at home or in your office!

    Could it be possible that Jaguar could be legally responsible to support the navigation system for so many years?

    Steve

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    No Nov Updates - what a shame

    I seem to recall talking to the dealer years ago - who said there was no significant update - although there was one minor update a year or so after my 2003 XKR nav disk.

    I called Jaguar customer service a year or two ago and they told me they were not planning on doing another update. Period.

    This really leaves me a bit peeved. My disk is not only out of date, but it also does not have too many areas in US other than major cities and interstates. If I'm going to a medium sized town - for instance Kalamazoo Michigan (city of 80,000 but metro area close to 400,000) there is nothing other than the interstate highway and one or two major roads. Compared with a basic hand held Garmin GPS that costs a few hundred dollars but has every road that I've ever looked for on it - anyplace in the country (except a few that have very recently been constructed).

    I usually take the hand held GPS along too - but the built in unit is so much easier to see and use while your driving (other than programming). It is just a shame that Jaguar didn't support this option at all. It seems that they put a lot of effort into making sure it was proprietary so you could only buy disks from them only to never support the updates!

    It sure would be nice for some electronic techie out there to figure out how to hardware a Garmin or other GPS into the Jag system so we could use the built in screen and antennas!

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    Larry... If only!!

    I'm sure there'd be a quite few people interested with such an upgrade, however - unusually pessimistic, for me - I reckon there will be a total mismatch with the old screen's resolution and other firmware (frame grabber type stuff) for this to simply be, Not Possible.

    The only way, and I hope somebody proves me wrong, is to use the "hole in the wood" on the dashboard, and fill it with something new that fits!
    Cheers,
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    Interesting

    Navteq currently provides an updated (2006-2007) DVD for
    S-Type 2003-2006
    X-type 2002-2006
    XJ 2004-2006

    All of these end-up with the same Jag part number 1X43-10E898-BF
    ($199 from Navteq, no opened package can be returned)

    All the DVDs that I found (in the past) for the XK8/XKR (Alpine)
    were labeled "XJ Series / XK Series" or "XJ Range / XK Range"
    Note: I did not research Denso DVDs

    See http://forums.roadfly.com/forums/jaguar/jaguar_xk8/7940225-1.html

    It appears that at some point:
    -The XJ and XK shared the same DVD (at least through 2002)
    -The XJ, S-Type, and X-Type shared the same DVD
    Notice: XJ

    It makes sense to me that all the Jags would use the same DVD
    with only Apline or Denso systems being the difference - obviously
    I could be very wrong.

    So I started looking around eBay for a newer XJ... DVD and I found one
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/04-05-06-Jaguar-S-X-XJ-TYPE-Navigation-DVD-Denso-2005_W0QQitemZ250203040280QQihZ015QQcategoryZ38653 QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQtrksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQ cmdZViewItem
    This shows it is for a 2004-2006 XJ and it's part number is
    1X43-10E898-BE (current from Navteq is 1X43-10E898-BF (one rev newer)). This DVD is clearly for a Denso system. So this means I am
    S.O.L. as I have a Apline system in my 2002. However, a person with
    a Denso system "May" be in luck....

    I popped one of my nav DVDs into my laptop and the file/folder layout
    is very straight forward. Comparing the file/folder info from a old
    XK Denso DVD to the latest XJ Denso DVD may give someone a bit of
    confidence regarding trying the latest XJ Denso DVD.

    Disclaimer: I am an idiot and this may not be worth the time it took
    to read.
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    Alpine Part Numbers

    From past research the XK (XJ/XK) nav DVDs (Alpine) listed the following
    Alpine part numbers (oldest to newest):

    BM9JU91A
    BM9JU91B
    BM9JU91C
    BM9JU91E
    BM9JG91F

    If we can get someone at Alpine to look up BM9JG91F and see if it
    is superseded/replaced/same as... we might be able to find an
    update. It would be great if we could speak with the folks responsible.

    I don't see a place on the Alpine website to submit a question...
    Anyone have a connection at Alpine? How about a connect at a Apline
    dealer that installs Alpine etc as they may have access to a techline.


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    Car Navigation System required: London Taxi Compan

    HI ,

    We are a taxi company Hummingbird Cars in London. We provide Airport Transfer service from all london airports.

    We have recently started our new business and we require to buy Car navigation system or Tom Toms . Can anyone suggest which company is the best and where we can get the best deals.

    http://www.hummingbirdcars.com

    Thank you

    Alex

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    Hi Dreemr,
    I bought off Ebay the UK disc for my German registered XK8 (MY2000), so often "toggle" between discs as I cross country borders. The UK DVD has the clock and slightly better traffic graphics, compared to the original Leaper version. It does absolutely no F/W harm at all to change between discs.
    I also have the French DVD and the Switzerland, Austria and Italy DVD and these cause no problems either.
    Cheers,
    Andy
    Hello Andy,
    my name is Carlo and I write from Milan, I have a wonderful Xkr convertible in 2001 for about a year.
    I have the integrated navi, but I have not the dvd Italy / Switzerland / Austria cod. ljg2441ea - bm9jg95f.
    I found this old post: can I still take advantage of your generosity having a copy of this DVD?
    Here in Italy, the DVD Jaguar costs € 360, a bit 'too much to have maps of 2003!
    I hope you can help me in some way.
    Hello and thank you!

    Carlo
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    Hello Carlo

    I have the DVD Italy but I am looking for DVD France. Do you have it ?
    As soon as I get it my DVD Italy is no more useful for me.
    So long
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