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    Whoa get a hold of yourself first of all you need to attend some anger management courses before you blow you O'ring out! :)


    2nd - I did not TELL you anything in regard to if you could or could not respond to any posts, anywhere for that matter. I simply made the observation that.... hmm actually here is exactly what I said:

    "Robert you respond to almost everyone that posts in here, are you the self proclaimed bmw answer guy or what?"

    3rd I have never done smokey burnouts in the X5 so you can stop inferring that I have. ( is that some MORE of you lawyer training shining through? attempting to put words in my mouth or twist statements around. )

    Granted, I have reviewed a few of your posts and yes I do admit that you have some automotive knowledge and surely have helped some, perhaps even many people.

    4th I did not "SPAM the entire board" as you again indicate an untruth.


    5th Class action was just an attention getter as you told me you should really "get over it". It worked pretty well.... Ha I sure got you attention.

    5th How many people did you jerk around during you lawyering career to make enough money to own all those bmws? I mean wow how many do you really need?

    6th Lawyers have destroyed this country and continue to do so every second of everyday . I'm glad you spend lots of time under a car,that's just all the more time you are not out "servicing your clients".

    7th you really should watch this it will make you feel much better
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loWrI1FneSM


    I really do respect that you have automotive knowledge. However you have become so defensive of anyone that says ANYTHING non positive about anything related to BMW that it really appears as if you have some kind of Corp connection. I already know that it is a fact that bmw corp does observe these forums. Obviously you will never admit, but its pretty easy to go back and check out all you old posts...


    Like I said before we really should just agree to disagree.






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    Search the X5 World Forum, too

    If you search the X5 forum you'll find a few posts about transfer cases. Not hundreds. A few.

    But unlike your posts which [Oops!] and whine about how BMW should pay for the repairs on a 100K mile car, the X5 world posts are all about "where do I get a rebuilt case?" "How do I take it apart?" and "Can I borrow your wrench?"

    People of ACTION, not WHINING. They go and FIX it, not [Oops!] about it.

    You drone on about your car going through "three transfer cases" but this is based on your positng that one was replaced by the previous owner under warranty (sorry, that doesn't count, even if I can trust you to read a casting code when you can't even turn a wrench).

    So it really has gone though ONE transfer case, at a fairly high milage. That is your responsibility to fix. You bought a USED CAR.

    Now you want BMW to pay for it, nearly a decade after it left the factory. Sorry, no sale.

    You want a 100K drivetrian warranty? Buy a Durango or get a CPO car.

    You can't however, get a free warranty without paying for it.

    Go lease a Durango. You deserve it.

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    hey I got two 5's in that last post please forgive me ;)

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    Re: Warning X5 Transfer Cases Flawed - Class Action?

    I own a BMW X5 under $82K miles and I am exactly going through the same situation and customer service at BMW & the local dealership in San Antonio is terrible. I can participate in Class Action Lawsuite, please respond to me.

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    Re: Warning X5 Transfer Cases Flawed - Class Action?

    I am also going thru the same problem. Mine is a 2002 BMW X5 with a 78K miles. I just picked up my kids from school and was driving to a doctor's appointment when the X5 started making grinding noises. The cop had to push us to a safe location while in neutral mode since the car was so loud when moving in drive mode or just even placing the gear in drive. I usually bring my car to the Pleasanton, CA dealership for service and the specialist just informed us that the transfer case has gone bad and that it will be $4000 plus to fix which we absolutely can not afford. We were told that it was a reduced amount since the original estimate is $5K but he lowered the price on the transfer case.

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    Replaced one year ago & failed again

    Dealer replaced front transfer case about 12 mos ago and was told today (by different BMW dealer) it is faulty. HOWEVER, later I was told also that the front differential "has too much play" and for another $3K it can be fixed.

    Mileage at 120K. Brought it in to have transmission looked at because it was downshifting hard (2-1) at stops and hesitating at take off. This started after I had the front transfer case replaced. Was hoping it was needing a software update or new trans fluid. It never works out that way with BMWs.

    I checked out a few independent BMW shops first, but price and knowledge on the transmission was not worth the risk. Off to the dealer for another $%!@ experience.1990 525i
    2001 X5 4.4
    2005 X5 4.4
    2006 X3 3.0

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    Re: Replaced one year ago & failed again

    I had the same experience today with my 2003 X5. After replacing thrust rods and other front end parts for $3500 at 92K miles, I'm now told that at 93K miles I need both rear upper control arms, a front lower control arm, and a new transfer case. It's my wife's car and we've had it since it was new. This car has been driven carefully and I'm really disappointed with BMW quality, specifically the transfer case. We also drive an '03 Audi Allroad with 150K miles and no problem. Both these vehicles will need replacing within the next year or so. Have loved the X5, but when you're spending that kind of money, you expect longevity/durability, especially if you're not driving it hard.

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    Re: Warning X5 Transfer Cases Flawed - Class Action?

    I am a drivetrain engineer, and I believe I can offer some help in preventing this issue with your tranfer cases. I am very familiar with New Process Gear's products, and I can honestly say that they are the best in the business. It sounds like you are all suffering from what is called fretting corrosion in the automotive industry. It occurs when the vibration at the spline joint causes the two parts to grind on each other. In this case, the harder driveshaft spline actually wears away the softer transfer case output spline. This is a common interface in the majority of transfer cases, and a known problem with dry spline joints. In fact, New Process gear recommends that grease should be applied to all of the splines on their transfer cases for all vehicles. I would be very disappointed to find out that BMW did not apply grease to this joint at the factory. I would recommend that all of you have the front and rear slip spline joints greased to prevent this issue in the future. If anybody has a picture please post it to verify the condition. Good luck.

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    Mine fixed out of warranty FREE!

    Last month I took our 06 4.4 in for loud popping sound to Autobahn BMW in Ft Worth. It had 66,000 miles and no extended warranty. They called next day and said I needed a new transfer case and right side shaft boot. They had already called BMW NA and gotten approved to replace both uder expired warranty because both were known problems. I also got a free loaned X3 for 8 days while they waited for parts and did repairs.

    I will never go to another dealer!

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    Re: No Transfer Case?

    My BMW X5 has been at the dealer repair shop for one month. Yes the BMW service rep and tech said it was a bad TRANSFER CASE. They replaced it once but with to avail. Still has issues. Part of the problem is they can't find replacements. So apparently they do have transfer cases and they are in demand and there are issues with them.

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    Re: Warning X5 Transfer Cases Flawed - Class Action?

    I own a 2000 X5 4.4i. My wife drives this car. It is driven on the highway on trips of about 550 miles each way (to visit daugter and grandaughter) every other month. Also, it goes to the mall. The point is it is driven gently and NEVER abused. Also, maintenance has been performed by BMW dealer. The transfer case shaft went away, splines were worn, and stranded my wife on the road at about 76K miles. No warning. Car towed in, Tampa FL BMW dealer replaced shaft, I paid. Now, the same thing happened again. this time I was driving the car, stopped at a light, when the light turned, i stepped on the gas but the car would not move. Just a lot of grinding noise from the tranny. had to be pushed out of the roadway by the people stuck behind me. NOT GOOD ADVERTISMENT for BMW.
    Now, the dealer (same one who replaced the shaft - I still have it- tells me it will cost me between 4 and 5k to replace transfer case.
    By the way, my wife is 60 and I am 59. I also own two MB, and three Porsches. I used to race porsches in the club events, I used to race Corvettes many years ago but I have NEVER had the driveshaft splines "wear out"????????????. Yes, I believe there is a problem here and BMW should stand behind their product.
    X-5 is a great driving vehicle, especially for its size and weight, but there have been too many problems, all four window regulators had to be replaced right after the warranty ran out, the suspension pieces had to be replaced etc. etc.

    The quality does not seem to be there in this product. The BMW should correct this problem and they should help the owners who are experiencing this problem. this is not normal wear and tear.
    It is fortunate that this sudden and catastrophic failure of the drive system did not occur to someone in the middle of the intersection or during a high speed travel on the road and result in death or injury. BMW should issue a recall and take care of this problem before it makes it in the newspaper headlines.

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    Re: Why no other posts on this?

    My 2003 X5, which I bought new, and which has been meticulously maintained and never abused, suddenly dropped a CV joint and transfer case after only 70,000+ miles.

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    Re: Warning X5 Transfer Cases Flawed - Class Action?

    I also own a 2001 X5 4.4 with under 90,000 miles and the transfer case just went out. BMW wants $2900.00 to fix minimum and nothing is covered by manufacturer. Sounds like X5 owners are getting shafted.

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    Re: Warning X5 Transfer Cases Flawed - Class Action?

    I have a 2001 X5 3.0 liter engine. Transfer case just went out yesterday. Had it towed to BMW Dealership in Milwaukee. Part alone is $3000.00 I'm out of warranty. Do I get it fixed?

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    Re: Warning X5 Transfer Cases Flawed - Class Action?

    Well guess what? The transfer case from my 01 X5 went out on me as well. Call BMW dealer and got quoted $2500 for transfer case alone (not including the $149/hour service fee).

    Beside the usual window regulator issues (3 out of 4 went bad in a span of 4 years @ $600 a pop), I have never had any major issues with the SAV.

    Does anyone have any recommendations as to what I should do? Give the dealer $4000+ or go 3rd party and get a quick fix?

    If only the full time AWD could be disabled, the need for the tranfer case would no be.

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    Buy a rebuilt transfer case, hire a mechanic.

    1. NEVER take a BMW out of warrenty to the dealer, unless you have more money that God.

    2. Find a good local mechanic who knows BMWs.

    3. Go online. Rebuilt and overhauled transfer cases can be had for as little as $750. That is not a lot of dough.

    4. Have your local mechanic install it. It should not cost more than $1000 in labor.

    It is not rocket science - drop the exhaust, pull the shafts, remove the old case, install the new. Easier than a clutch job, frankly.

    You can easily do this for less than half what the dealer is charging you.

    Once repaired, sell the car. You got no business owning an older BMW if you are not handy with tools. Leave older BMWs to the shade-tree mechanics.

    BTW, fixing the window regulators requires replacing a 95 cent part and takes about an hour with simple hand tools. I keep a bucket of these clips in the glove box.

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    BTW:


    It probably would be possible to simply remove the transfer case, lengthen the drive shaft, and convert the car to 2WD.

    There are any number of drive shaft shops that could make a new shaft or extend an old one accordingly.

    It would probably increase the gas milage by 2-5 mpg. Take out the front differential and half shafts, and you've probably lightened the car by 500 lbs, including the transfer case.

    It would be an interesting experiment. I would consider it, if my transfer case ever failed.

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    I just noticed on the link I posted that the craigslist guy is also a mechanic who will do the install. Sounds like the go-to guy.

    Here is a link to how to fix the door regulators.

    Now everyone STOP WHINING and START WRENCHING!

    These things don't fix themselves.

    I have four...

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    Re: Warning X5 Transfer Cases Flawed - Class Action?

    A Class Action Lawsuit Is The Only Solution Here
    I also have a 2008 BMW X5.
    This looks like a defect that BMW knows about but is not going to fix in order to increase its revenue. BMW also keep making new X5's with this defect replicated in them. This sounds like fraud. This should've resulted in a recall. I think there is enough cause for a class action lawsuit here plus punitive damages. No one should have to worry about how to fix their Transfer Case when it finally breaks down where BMW intentianally created this flaw in this model of their car. This flaw is intentionally made by BMW because even though BMW knows about it, BMW keeps making new X5's with this flaw replicated in all of them. The way to solve this problem is via a class action lawsuit against BMW in a Federal or State court.
    Let me know if anybody is interested. For a class action lawsuit we need at least two plaintiffs. However, the more the better.

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    LET'S FILE CLASS ACTION AGAINST BMW NOW

    A Class Action Lawsuit Is The Only Solution Here
    I also have a 2008 BMW X5.
    This looks like a defect that BMW knows about but is not going to fix in order to increase its revenue. BMW also keep making new X5's with this defect replicated in them. This sounds like fraud. This should've resulted in a recall. I think there is enough cause for a class action lawsuit here plus punitive damages. No one should have to worry about how to fix their Transfer Case when it finally breaks down where BMW intentianally created this flaw in this model of their car. This flaw is intentionally made by BMW because even though BMW knows about it, BMW keeps making new X5's with this flaw replicated in all of them. The way to solve this problem is via a class action lawsuit against BMW in a Federal or State court.
    Let me know if anybody is interested. For a class action lawsuit we need at least two plaintiffs. However, the more plaintiffs the better. It won't cost anything.

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