Why Obama can't legally be president.

[stuartyp]

I'm sure this is old news to most of you,...but incase it slipped by a couple of you;


I was listening to "97.1 The Ticket" (a local radio station that is talk in the a.m. and sports talk the rest of the day), and Jay and Bill were talking on the phone to "His Excellency somebody or other" in Kenya (pretty sure it was the assistant Minister of Foreign Affairs, Richard Onyonka) of Kenya,..and they were asking him if they were going to erect a marker down there in Kenya where Barack was born. The guy didn't think so saying that "the place is well known".


But even if Barack HAD been born here in the USA (which he wasn't),..he still couldn't be president.

Here's a quote from this site/blog whatever;
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...2190225AAYpYPw

Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. Natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between “December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986. Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents, which of course is what exempts John McCain though he was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates: “…If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawaii being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t matter *after* . In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18 in Hawaii. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen. As aforementioned, she was a young college student at the time and was not. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at that time his mother would have needed to have waited to have him as the only U.S. Citizen parent. Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then, that would still disqualify him from holding the office

*** Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. *** Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, all the other info does not matter because his mother is the one who needed to have been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16. Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the country for some time to protect any citizenship he would have had, rather than living in Indonesia.

According to FindLaw.com, which is cited by Geraghty, the requirements that were in force from Dec. 24, 1952 to Nov. 13, 1986, encompassing the time of Obama's birth, state, "If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least 10 years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16."

[lezonebay]

because he still a better choice or because they don't care or because its not true or ...
I don't understand it. many people have looked at him and his family and not one has brought it up to a republican ? I'm sure any republican would have reacted to this had it been a truth. you or somebody else missing some information as I don't think this could have been passed on by the republican party.

[stuartyp]

It's been in the news very little,.but on the net a lot,..and on the radio.

Here's some background.

Obama was asked for proof that he was a citizen and for birth records. Instead of simply showing such records, he lawyered up and his attorneys are fighting with every technicality they can dream up to keep from having to produce the records.

McCain on the other hand showed all the proof imediatly.

There are a number of lawsuits including one by Philip Berg going on at the moment against;
Barack Hussein Obama II

(AKA Barry Soetoro, AKA Barry Obama, AKA Barack Dunham. AKA Barry Dunham,)
http://www.obamacrimes.com/

The judge in PA overturned the lawsuit stating that the citizens have no standing to file such a suit. (Of course this is balogna,..the Constitiution is a contract between the citizens, the congress and the president,..and any party to the contract can file a suit to enforce the contract.

The case in the news.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_i8NHifI1g


Seems he is likely not even a U.S> citizen,...most likely a citizen of Indonesia.

[stuartyp]

It's been in the news very little,.but on the net a lot,..and on the radio.

Here's some background.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOzFl-Gm_Kc

Obama was asked for proof that he was a citizen and for birth records. Instead of simply showing such records, he lawyered up and his attorneys are fighting with every technicality they can dream up to keep from having to produce the records.

McCain on the other hand showed all the proof imediatly.

Philip Berg's lawsuit against;
Barack Hussein Obama II, AKA Barry Soetoro, AKA Barry Obama, AKA Barack Dunham. AKA Barry Dunham.


The judge in PA overturned the lawsuit stating that the citizens have no standing to file such a suit. (Of course this is balogna,..the Constitiution is a contract between the citizens, the congress and the president,..and any party to the contract can file a suit to enforce the contract.

The case in the news.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_i8NHifI1g

Seems he is likely not even a U.S. citizen,...most likely a citizen of Indonesia.




Most of my money I spent on beer and women, the rest I just wasted. :)))

[ladislav]

...submit proof. Not too late - the Electoral College meets 12/15.


click here

This is not mainstream fodder since unlike the "sellin' Obama" campaign, Murdoch and big press pals refuse to run it.

This is and should be big news.

[justaguyinokc]

In the fact that he is president-elect. He has an Hawaiian birth certificate, which has been verified by the Hawaii department of health director as being valid, so that pretty much ends it.

So, even with other technicalities considered, and the fact that anyone challenging the validity of the birth certificate would in all likelyhood lose (even if they had a basis on which to challenge that validity), any first year lawyer could keep that tied up in the courts for the next 100 years. So, once again, the point is moot.

[stuartyp]

The only weapon we really have ids to educate ourselves and spread the word.

Quite often something gets so wide-spread that "they" have to back off,....or someone gets thrown under the bus to stisfy the public.

Simply saying that the point is moot is unAmerican and defeatism.

The more we know, and the more who know,...the longer it will be before all of our freedoms are gone. Perhaps we can hold out another 10 years.

[lezonebay]

I'm just saying...

wasn't this a choice of bad and worse ?

I look forward to the 4 years. I think it can not be worse then the last 8 was. either way we were getting a better person. it could only be better then the current dumb idiot. Obama or McCain - these 2 were the best they could come up with ?

Anyway either way we already won. both are better then the current person, and to me thats all that matters.
I'm happy with the crowd choice and would have been equally happy with McCain. Both had some good points but both had huge negative issues. I could not decide between these two ... sorry I liked neither one.
What scared me is when McCain said he is a solder and has not much idea about the financial crisis and how to actually tackle that situation.
I know that a president is a puppet and he has hundreds of people as aids but still , at least have an opinion. bad or good, but say something... don't just mum about it.

Mr. Bush did that mumbling things on many occasion but he was a drunk moron, so that was oke.

[stuartyp]

phone cal; to Kenyan ambasador.


Here's the call by WRIF radio (101.1) in Detroit to the Kenyan ambasador on the morning show (medium to hard rock the rest of the day).

The call is to the Kenyan ambasador "His Excelency Peter Ogego".

Takes a couple minutes to get to the good stuff,..but the ambasador tells them that the place where Obama was born down in Kenya is well known.

http://my.wrif.com/mim/?p=916

[lezonebay]

is he or is he not ? I don't care about anything else... just want the truth.

do you think it will ever make the courtroom ?

[ladislav]

Obama does not seem to have the one needed to establish his eligibility for the Presidency under the US Constitution governing his citizenship effective in 1961. Hawaii merely recorded his birth because that was the state of last residency of his mother before she went to Kenya.

There will be a lot of gnashing of teeth if this is resolved properly. And then there is also that little 'inconvenient truth' - the provision in the Constitution of laws not being able to be implemented retroactively.

He is also not actually the President Elect until the Electoral College elects him. The EC is free to act according to facts known to them. So for them it is still Obama vs. McCain.

Now that would be really historic - wouldn't you say?

See my post below.

[justaguyinokc]

I'm not an Obama supporter, but really, it looks as if the arguments used in saying his birth certificate is forged could be applied to anyone and everyone, so everyone isn't a U.S. citizen using the fact that any one of ours could conceivably be forged, and thus that would make any one of us unable to challenge his.


Obama's citizentship


Birth certificate questions

[cruppelt]

[stuartyp]

So the only people in the world saying that Obamas' birth certificate is real is Factcheck.org?

Obama sat on the board of directors of Annenberg of Chicago,..which owns Factcheck.org. So it's hardly an independant source.

[justaguyinokc]

Obama doesn't have to prove his birth certificate is valid, someone would have to prove it isn't. That can't be done. If the birth certificate were to be proven forged, then the defense could say the parties asking for the investigation forged it themselves and nefariously planted it to discredit the document's validity. No resolution there, eh? In other words, the investigation would still be going on forever and ever, ad nauseum.....in the programming world this is called an endless loop. But, that's what makes conspircacy theories fun...they never end. They can't, by their very nature.

Aren't they still trying to determine if Kennedy's or Lincoln's assasinations were conspiricies? Is there a consensus, in which either side can claim total historical victory, on either? Nope. The next asteroid will hit before either are ever resolved one way or the other, and then it won't matter much.

But, I digress. On to more important things....