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    Doubt I'd keep my 335xi w/o a warranty....

    Had a minor incident recently which vividly illustrated, at least to me, why I seriously doubt I'd ever keep a modern BMW without either a warranty or big wallet.

    My '08 335xi developed a case of intermittent headlight washers. No big deal, or so I thought. First, the fuse diagram shows a fuse that doesn't exist, which puzzles the mechanic, who I know to be a decent guy. Then, they ID the problem as some sort of headlight module, which is fairly easy to replace, but.......

    It took well over FOUR HOURS to program a simple headlight module. I cannot imagine what this would have cost had the car not been under warranty. The dealer estimates several hundred dollars.

    This is crazy-- a simple headlight washer requires PROGAMMING?? As much as I hate to admit it, I doubt I'd keep any BMW w/o a warranty. They are just getting too needlessly complex and crazy expensive to repair.

    I have 2 years on the lease (I used to always buy). I either CPO this at the end & keep it a full 6 years, get another if the prices aren't too high and economy picks up or it's Subaru time. As much as I like BMW and have owned several since '96 I can't justify 54K + for a 3 series while my 401K languishes, thus requiring me to save even more. They're great cars, but I'd rather retire on schedule.

    It's a shame, really. BMW's repair costs are just totally out of line with reality. Simple components like washers & dimmers, etc should NOT require hours of expensive programming. Sounds like "why tech" rather than "high tech".


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    Re: Doubt I'd keep my 335xi w/o a warranty....

    If you're gonna keep it and worried about costs, I would have bought it w/o all of frills. Power seats -- pass, headlight washers - pass, idrive - pass etc etc. Keep the car simple and bare bones, makes repairs easier. Find a good shop to do your normal wear and tear upkeep. I think with those steps in mind, overall costs should be more in tune given these cars have less maintainence requirements than the average car.

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    Point well taken; got my 330Ci back when you

    could get no sunroof (source of many repairs and leaks), manual tranny, and only the sport package. Oh, yeah, metallic paint was extra too. NOTHING else.
    No problems five years later and 58K miles.

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    Well, maybe even that is too complex

    My 2002 530i is as bare bones as could be ordered: manual transmission, no sunroof, no navigation. But already I have needed a new stereo amp, new radio MID display for the infamous disappearing pixels, a bushing on the steering column, some component on the intake system. This is just not a robust car. But it gets >30 mpg on the highway, amazing.

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    I concede the bad luck award to you! Happily!

    I do have empathy for your luck. Things seemed to pile onto your car.
    Naturally I have the same engine that you do and I can poke up to 32-33 mpg on the highway if I drive old.
    Agreed we can't protect against everything on these cars. Robust is not a term that is applicable. Too many little niggling things that we could list from the group experience on these boards.

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    Handling and Performance

    If BMW didn't make cars that I fell in love with in 1992 I wouldn't still have them in my garage. The handling and road feedback in the steering wheel and the performance of the engine in anyway a person cares to measure performance is very good.

    But I guess if the new purchase cost, running cost or MENTAL cost of enjoying these cars is TOO MUCH - there is always the Divorce path.

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    True, but I don't view those items as "frills".

    I personally see no point in a BMW without a few toys. Since I cannot afford a sports car AND a luxury car I need both in the same package. True, NAV is a bit of a toy, but I really would prefer a car to have HID lights (can't see w/o them), a moonroof & like headlight washers as a safety item. While I respect that others may seek a BMW for just the driving sensation & would be happy with roll up windows such isn't for me. I find the non Nav equipped interior to be too spartan & plain for my tastes. Again, to each his own.

    My issue isn't with the fact that components can require repair--everything can break. My problem is with BMW, who seems to have over complicated even simple things for no damned reason. Who the hell EVER heard of programming a car for freakin' headlight washers! Totally silly. What might have been a $50 relay is not a "headlight module" and hours of progamming.

    No warranty=no BMW, at least for me.

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    I feel the same

    This is my first lease (same car as yours and also 2 years left to go).

    I guess the $54K price includes $10K to $20K of warranty repair costs.Mark W in mid-MO
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    2 turbos ..................or 12 cylinders, no waiting!

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    Totally agree and not just BMW

    Cars are just too electronic today and most independent service people don't have / can't afford the computers and software to diagnose and maintain.
    It isn't just the frills on these cars - the blinker stalk is electronic - I can just see going in because the stalk fails and they tell you $2,000 for a new motherboard. The brakes have electronic controls and modules which is how they do hill hold for the manual trans.

    Several of the problems that I have had, and not just in the first year, have been fixed with software upgrades. Who knows what that would cost out of warranty.

    It is too bad and maybe long term experience will drop resale value which would hurt buys and BMW.
    It isn't just BMW - it is certainly all the luxury models and more and more all cars.

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    You gotta be a real wuss to need hill hold.


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    Re: You gotta be a real wuss to need hill hold.

    Didn't say I need it - I find it a real pain most of the time - it was an example of even electronics affecting the brakes.

    Feel good about insults in a serious thread?

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    Eh, don't take it personally. I think he was just

    talking in general terms/joking around, not calling you out in particular.

    That said, I like manuals. And if it weren't for the fact it would be just one more pricey repair job waiting to happen one day, I'd be happy with hill assist. And I can assure you, I'm not a wuss and I've never been called one. At least to my face. lol

    In fact, it's kinda funny to think that someone could somehow base how much of a man someone is on whether or not he enjoys fiddling with a clutch on a hill. But again, I'm assuming his comment was just a joke. Before you responded in fact, I only saw it as a joke.

    Btw, you'll also hear people occasionally suggest that you're not a real man unless you drive a manual. Those same people may one day find out why the older guy is driving an auto, and we'll just have to wait and see if they enjoy hip or knee replacement surgery as much as the guy they're making fun of with the slushbox. :-)

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    VOLVO Trucks&Buses know about bad elect. brakes

    Electronics and insults work together as well, and those new modern electronic military weapons - fark me

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    Isn't that what trhe hand brake is supposed to do?

    Sounds like another doofy clever solution to a problem that barely existed (like run-flat tires, tire pressure monitors, rain-sensing wipers, auto-dimming mirrors). Great for the dealer's profit margin when repairs are needed after a few years.

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    I love your gouping of nonsensical items;

    err, ahh, I forgot, I do love the rain sensing wipers!
    First fell in love with them on the Autobahn in a light off and on again rain at speeds close to one hundred mph over extended periods of time. Try it and you'll see the real worth of them.

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    Got the car back-with a small door ding and wires

    not hooked up.

    Totally aggravating. I had NO dings after 14K and discover a small one on the pass side front door right on the crease, by the handle. Still had red paint on it (my car is white). I am VERY friendly with this dealer, so I did not blow up. I mentioned it and they said they'd see what their dent wizard guy can do. It's on a crease, which makes the small mark rather hard to see (good), but then equally hard to repair w/o paint (bad). If the dent wizard guy can't do anything I'll buff it and try to avoid having it annoy me too much.

    Wondered why the air inflation controls weren't working & realized after I got home that a wire wasn't connected. Sigh........ Easy enough to fix.

    I HATE dings of any kind & have BMW's body side moldings on the car. What a PITA. At least its hardly noticeable. 14K miles & no dings until the car sits at the dealers lot!

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    you can remove the red paint w/Magic Eraser


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    58K with no dings! Yes some might think I'm

    one of the nuts that walks from the far end of the parking lot, or parks at the end of the row, close to the wall. I hang around the dealer while my car is infrequently serviced there. But I love to look at my car with the clean beautiful lines; work of art!

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    The dealer fixed the ding. Well, 95% fixed.....

    They did the best they good w/ paintless dent work. It is barely visible, not that is was big to begin with.

    They did the right thing & I told them so. So far, so good! At least I FINALLY got rid of the annoying creaking driver's seat. Wow, that was irritating. Creaked like an old wooden sailing ship. They had to install a new frame or the like.

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    I love this thread - it's just the therapy I need

    @@@@ STEALERS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR CAR THEY CARE ABOUT YOUR MONEY @@@@

    With a nice shirt and tie and a cup of warm coffee, they smile and talk shlt !!!!



    Car colours can hide dirt, panel designs can hide dents - my 94 BMW was perfect for 14 years, a Stealer did't do it because I've never taken this car to the Stealer but probably some passenger dickhead in a carpark (and I think I know the one, because I very rarely park in off-street car parks) put a dent in the driver's door. Good thing though with the E36 design you have to get it at the right angle and lighting to notice it, I didn't at first but my sister did, and she hates cars.


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