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    Thank you! Looks like I'll be stocking up.


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    Dare to be different and stand out among the crowd of me-to-cars!
    No guts, no glory! Tire smoke, not traction control!
    Zionsville all aluminum radiator to replace the 3 leak prone Nissens Radiators!

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    Same here, they'll probably get cleaned out early,


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    I'm hoping they carry 0W40, if not I'll get (m)

    I'll get whatever M1 they have. I still have ~2 cases of BMW 5W30 so I'm all set for a while with my car. I've also been putting this in my wife's S60 since new even though it calls for dino oil. So if all I can get is M1 5W30 it's going in the S60. My winter beater V70 has only seen dino oil. PepBoys also has 5 quarts of Castrol GTX with a filter on sale for $6 after rebate. That's going in the V70.

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    I know the one by me does...

    I'm taking my wife and possibly my cousin with me because there's a 12qt per customer limit...my wife's VW uses the same 0W-40, I also use M1 10W-30 in the Grand National, the Jeep gets dino oil.

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    Make sure to get 0W40 or heavier (m)

    Mobil1 5W30 does NOT meet the requirements of Euro engines (despite the fact that the owner's manual says "5W30" in it).

    M1 0W40, 5W40, 10W40, 5W50, 15W50 are all heavy enough with high enough HTHS values.

    M1 0W40 is recommended for Euro engines and is officially on the BMW LL-01 list.


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    Please enlighten me, RU saying 5W30 is too thin(m

    If so, then maybe an M1 in 10W30 if they make that weight?

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    Re: Please enlighten me, RU saying 5W30 is too thin(m

    Uh oh... I didn't mean to start a "thing".

    To be as brief as possible - ignoring the W rating the "30" represents a fairly wide range of viscosities. BMW and other Euro engines require relatively "heavy" oils compared to Hondas and Toyotas. Also there's a test result HT/HS (High Temperature/High Shear) - Euro engines require higher HTHS oils. High HTHS oils cause "drag" in an engine and there are specific formulas called "Energy Conserving" printed in the API donut symbol which are specifically low HTHS (again, for Hondas, Toyotas and other non-performance vehicles).

    M1 5W30 is a "thin 30" with low HTHS and is not suitable for BMWs. BMW 5W30 is a "thick 30" (very close to being labeled a 40) and has relatively high HTHS.

    Both bottles say "5W30" but both are not suitable for Euro engines. If you want to go buy M1 on sale, get their 0W40. Don't let the "0W" fool you - it's thicker at operating temp than 10W30.

    The best quick guide is to look for "ACEA A3/B3" rating on the oil (not ACEA A1 or A5 - A5 is not "better" than A3). Anything ACEA A3 is appropriate. On thick 40s (like 15W40) or heavier you may or may not find A3, but it will be thick enough. ACEA A3 test sequences also include long drain properties similar to BMW LL-01 and not all heavy oils will pass the long drain tests.

    Some background on SAE viscosity rating versus actual measurements is here:
    http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/visc.html

    It's also important to note that 10W30 is not necessarily thicker than 5W30 at operating temp. An energy conserving 10W30 is probably thinner than BMW 5W30 at operating temp. The W ratings are derived from pumpability at very low (sub-zero) temperatures. They are not rated the same as the hot viscosity grading.

    Shop for the second number based on your engine (we want heavy 30s or any 40s) and shop for the "W" number based on your climate. If using a high quality syn, there's no reason not to get a 5W or 0W regardless of your climate - even if hot.


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    No, not a "thing." The reason I asked is because(m

    you're the oil expert here on RF. I promise I won't kid you about it again......well maybe just a little once the brake bleeding posts fade away.
    Thanks for the info.

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    wait - my BMW 5W30 is "not suitable for Euro engin

    This is the OEM oil, and called for in the owners manual...

    BTW, my local dealer sells it for $5.20 a quart if you are nice to the parts guy.

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    It is - more

    I said it WAS suitable. BMW's 5W30 is a thick 30 with high HTHS (for a 30). Sorry if my post was unclear.

    I said:
    "Both bottles say 5W30 but both are not suitable for Euro engines."

    when I should have said:
    "but only one is suitable for Euro engines".

    If I could edit posts, I would...


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    Craig, I just want to thank you...

    for sharing your knowledge of oil and for directing us to the bobistheoilguy.com site...I have learned a lot about this topic from your posts and that site.

    I was originally using the wrong oil in my car, but then 2 oil changes ago, after reading and participating in some of the oil threads you posted to, I switched over to M1 0W-40...and I can tell you (not sure if this is my imagination or not), my engine runs quieter, and just feels better than before.

    Thanks again,

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    Re: Craig, I just want to thank you...

    No problem. I'm glad you've had a positive experience.

    If you want it to be even quieter, try:

    - Rotella T6 5W40 (full syn)
    - Castrol Syntec 0W30 (the German stuff)
    - Redline 0W40 (if cost is no object for the sake of quiet - the HTHS is crazy high for the weight)

    I switched away from M1 0W40 in my M52 because it made a racket like a threshing machine compared to a lot of other oils. The wear analysis of the used oil was great, though, so the M1 0W40 did a great job protecting things. I just like the smoother, quieter operation of other choices available to me (which are also giving excellent wear analysis)

    Some people experience "Mobil1 noise" (it's all over the Internet) and others don't. I don't think the M62 series, for instance, exhibits it. The noise difference between M1 0W40 and GC in my M52 is dramatic but it isn't clear from the specs why.

    As a generalization (doesn't apply to "M1 noise") - higher HTHS tends to make engines smooth and quiet. If the engines aren't designed for higher HTHS it'll feel "thick" though. A lot of Honda owners have tried German Castrol based on reputation and found it was delightfully smooth and quiet but their fuel economy suffered and they felt a loss in power. I find that, within limits, my M52 fuel economy and power increases as I head into the 40s with high HTHS.

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    +1 - always great information!

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    How about older cars?

    I've been using Castrol 20w-50 in my 1981 320i since it was new (with a couple of times using something else). Would one of the newer synthetics with high HTHS provide similar protection in 10w-40 weight? I live in a climate where winter is rarely below 32 deg F and summer is often 95 deg. F.

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    Re: How about older cars?

    Well, something to consider is whether your 320i requires any "special protection" in the first place.

    Edjack and Eurodavid will probably kill me, but I've recently seen discussions where the dino 20W50 grade oils are pretty much the dregs of type I base stocks that can't be used for anything else these days since the tough API SM and SN standards have come out - so they make 20W50 out of it. I realize that's a sweeping generalization, of course, and that 20W50 starts pretty thick and has a long way to go before any kind of breakdown starts to cause trouble. As long as it's changed often enough (which both edjack and Euro seem to do) it should be fine.

    When you start to select oils for older cars it gets tricky. In general you would start with what's in the owner's manual, but oil has changed a LOT since 1981. In general oil is a lot tougher and in a lot of cases old specifications (for oils like 20W50) can be thinned out quite a bit with no issues at all.

    I would probably look in the 40 weights, as you mention. I've seen some excellent UOA results from people running dino GTX 10W40 in M62 engines for 10k miles (yes - 10k miles on dino!). If it were my vehicles, I'd probably be looking at 40 weight HDEOs (typically thought of as diesel oils). Something from 1981 may have a cam system requiring higher amounts of some additives which are being dramatically reduced in API SM/SN oils. HDEOs (targetted at diesels and heavy equipment but often, but not always, still carrying API certifications for gasoline cars too) typically retain higher levels of these additives.

    Also when looking at an older car you need to look at wear and larger clearances which may be present. Do you have any piston slap, oil consumption or anything like that?

    I would probably look at:

    - Rotella T 15W40 (dino HDEO - easy to get)
    - Rotella T6 5W40 (full syn HDEO - if you want syn or are worried about the winter)

    If you want something that officially carries BMW LL-01:

    - Mobil1 0W40
    - Castrol Syntec 0W30 (must say Made in Germany on the bottle. The Made in USA stuff isn't the same)

    I've run Rotella T in M62, M62TU and M52 power plants routinely. Our cars are actually really easy on oil and don't have exotic requirements unless you're going the full 15k-20k mi service interval. This is not true of the newer direct injection power plants - they have some serious issues with oil.


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    Re: Please enlighten me, RU saying 5W30 is too thin(m

    However, the BMW "Service and Warranty Information" booklet that came with my US 2000 5401a specifically said the following 3 oils are approved by BMW:

    1. BMW High Performance 5W-40 Synthetic Oil (PN 07 51 0 002 545)
    2. Mobil 1 5W-30
    3. Mobil 1 5W-40

    If the M1 5W-30 is not suitable for their engines, why was BMW officially endorsed it ?


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    Yep been on sale at OREILY's through today

    19.97 in gallon containers. Changed the VAN, the truck, the 540, and the girlfriend's but as usual either a day late or in this case a day early and 8.00 short!!

    Oh well

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    DAMN!

    I always stock up when there's a sale, well i ran low and had to change my oil this past weekend and couldn't find a sale anywhere!

    And i change my oil every 3000 miles with Mobil1.
    Don't forget i bought the car exactly 2 years ago with 133k and I'm now up to 174k!
    Mobil should give me some frequent flier miles or something. 15 years loyal customer.

    15/50 M1 in the summer and 10/40 high mileage M1 in the winter.
    YES with an M62TU

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