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    Phillips Vision Plus bulb- safe to use?

    Is it safe to use the 55w Phillips Vision Plus H7 bulb to replace the OEM Hella halogen AE low beam bulb? Is there a real improvement in the low beam performance which I find currently is lacking?


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    What about the Philps X-Treme Power bulbs


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    I've been using them for nigh on to 8 years>>

    now. The lighting is improved, but don't expect these bulbs to start forest fires. Seems like Philips says 10-20% improvement, IIRC.
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    Phillips Vision Plus bulb- in my car 9 years

    I have the VisionPlus bulbs in the high beam circuit. So far, they have been fine. I think there was improvement over the stock bulbs, but it was subtle. I also installed them in my daughter's Volvo V70 after I bought the genuine European Hella light units. That made a dramatic improvement over the grim DOT-specified lights, but most of the improvement, of course, was due to the improved reflectors and lens.

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    just buy a HID conversion kit for $39.99

    and call it a day. I converted all my cars and never looked back. literally night and day difference. At this low price its actually dumb not to do it.
    I did the low beam only as I like the halogen's longer effect but on low beam it can not be beaten.


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    I thought HID conversions were illegal???


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    And, how can you do that for $39 with ballasts

    and all the other associated upgrades? Can you point me in the right direction?

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    illegal ? where ? I don't think so...



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    2 ballast 2 bulb 2 wiring set - $37.99



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    HID "illegal" without level control -blinds others


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    this is a biggest BS I have ever read.

    its much better then halogen and as far as blinding... same as any BMW or Porsche. It is much brighter so it does blinds you more but so does the "real" kits. I see the cars oncoming and I can tell which one is the BMW Porsche Audi with the xenon kits. They have the oem kit and still they blind me. Same as my car no difference. This light pattern BS sounds good but it is still a BS.
    The HID conversion will never be as good as the real HID, I admit. Its about 90% of the real kit. But that is still about 40% better then the halogen. Its a win-win situation.

    I think this guy who wrote the article has either interest in NOT buying hid kits or just his head is upside in his rear.

    I have been using HID kits since 2004 and no trouble. I used to pay 280usd for a kit then 200 ... and now its 36.99... I would never go back to halogen.



    I advise you to try it. 36.99 and about 30 minutes of your time.
    Once you have it on write the story here. I guarantee you, it will not be a change back to halogen.

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    so does cannabis without a terminal illness

    does it make it bad ? nope.

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    please; save us from ourselves before its too late


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    Re: so does cannabis without a terminal illness

    You said you didn't think they were illegal. A couple of people showed you that, in fact, they are. Then you basically say "do it anyway, just like pot"? Ooookay....

    Auto makers have to outfit HID vehicles with leveling systems which measure suspension height and automatically adjust the aim of the headlights so they don't blind oncoming drivers. I can tell you that mis-aimed HIDs are extremely annoying in oncoming traffic.

    I believe that in some cases a manual leveling system is acceptable. The euro versions of our cars (I'm told) have another dial which is the same as the cluster brightness wheel but on the other side which manually lower the lights to compensate for weight in the rear of the car. I think this was installed on halogen cars, and my 1992 Porsche (halogen only) also came with this control in Europe. I remember reading years ago about someone who retrofitted the manual leveling system to facilitate a mostly-legal HID conversion.

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    headlight level adjustment is mandatory in europe

    some cars have manual adjustments, some have electronic. It should be standard on all cars in the US as well, but it is not.

    also headlight washers and cleaners are on most of the cars, even on American cars, but not in the US.

    I still don't think HID conversions are illegal. Who said its illegal ? That guy who wrote that article ? Is the DOT doomed them illegal ?

    Either way I did not see any information that would be officially calling HID conversions on Halogen lenses illegal yet.

    Window tints are illegal in most states but not all of them. The law is very sketchy about the tint, gives you the percentage and that is hard for any cop to measure at sight.

    All I'm saying is that if you set the headlight correctly, and align the headlights the proper way - right side points to a little far ahead and to the right, the left side closer, then it will NOT be troubled.

    I have seen my car coming towards me many times (driven by the wife) and I also had my cars follow me (again wife) and it is NOT worse then any other HID cars on a road.
    You can tell its brighter then the dim US headlights on most cars. The US headlight system sux as the plastic ages the covers become clouded.
    In this matter I rather be the brightest person on the road then the one who gets into trouble with a dim headlight.

    On certain states the headlight does not really matter as most roads are well lit and no need for a good headlights. Florida where I lived was one of them. Living in Ft.Lauderdale for 13 years meant I never turned on my high beams in the 50 mile radius, and I could have traveled with a dimmest headlight without trouble. Most highways are well lit and most streets are extremely well lit.

    Where I'm right now, is the complete opposite. SC is a dark state, barely any public lights on the roads. Within 100 yards I need my high beams on the roads as there isn't a single light anywhere.

    I do need good and strong lights as the roads are also very bad, lots of potholes and cracks. The roads are narrow and curvy, opposite of FL where all roads are butter smooth and straight.

    So bottom line, even if I see a printed article that in fact the HID conversion in SC is illegal, I won't turn it back to halogen. That is simply not nearly good enough for me after seeing the difference in headlight illumination.

    I will tell you too, that if LED lights will be cheap and popular, I will do that as well. I'm all up for seeing and be seen on the road.

    but I respect your opinion and i do not wish to get anybody in trouble, so I will not make a suggestion in a future.

    nobody should do anything they do not feel comfortable with regardless of how many people say it to them.

    thanks for reminding me for that !





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    Re: headlight level adjustment is mandatory in europe

    Try this - put two adults in the back seat and fill your trunk with luggage, then drive towards your car at night and see if you're "no problem" assessment is the same.

    This is the issue - it's not that properly aimed HIDs are a problem on the road. It's that IMPROPERLY aimed HIDs are an issue, and they can become improperly aimed just by filling the trunk with groceries.

    Heck, even when I just had Philips VisionPlus bulbs installed I'd get flashed if I had a full car, let alone HIDs. I was very meticulous about my aim, too, which I did myself according to the Euro technique (10cm drop at 15m, IIRC).

    It's pretty interesting that conversions are available at that low price - that's for sure. I'm just not sure that everyone should run out and put them in. The biggest thing I notice between my dad's AE HID and my non-AE halogens are beam width. His light isn't that much brighter, and it doesn't go farther (the aim sets that) but they do cast wider light. I don't know if that's a HID design function (I don't have access to a pre-AE HID-equipped E39) or if it's an AE design function. I've tried in the past to establish online whether halogen AEs have the same wide pattern but I wasn't able to get a conclusive answer.

    On the other hand, my fog lights have a straight cutoff and shine almost 180 degrees in front of the car (what "fog lights" are supposed to be). The AE-equipped cars have these useless (as far as I can tell) "driving lights" which don't actually seem to cast any usable light on the road. If I'm in a dark, rural situation where I find my halogens too narrow I will click on my fogs as "cornering lights" to help. They work perfectly for this.

    I'd love to widen my beam, but I don't think throwing in a HID conversion would do this. Other than that, I don't find my halogens problematic even in rural situations. A lot of people don't account for the fact that halogen bulbs dim over their lifetime. I've occasionally been pleasantly surprised by increased performance when replacing a bulb. I also found that my high beam DRLs seem to deform bulbs. I don't get this, as DRL operating temperatures should be lower than when the high beams are on full voltage, but I've found the bulb bubbled or distorted. I wipe my bulbs down with a cloth immediately before inserting them and I sometimes even work with gloves - I understand that fingerprints can cause this to happen but I don't think that's what happened with me unless someone else touched my bulbs.


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    This was my aiming guide

    Actually I believe I used this guide:
    http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/aim/aim.html

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    Any comments on the Philps X-Treme Power bulbs

    These appear to be a step up from the Vision Plus ones. I think you jump up to 65 watts though, which could possiby create a heat problem. Anyone successfully tried these?

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