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    About the M62/M62TU problems

    First of all, I'm probably jinxing my 540, but that's all right.
    I keep reading about failed CCV, valley pan, O2 sensors etc. So far my 12 year old/101k beast had none of those problems other than notorious oil leaks.

    My point is this: Drive your BMW the way it's meant to be driven, at HIGH rpm. What I mean by it, once the oil temp is about 200, my car sees a lot of 3-5k rpm.This efectively doesn't allow crap to acumulate in the CCV system, cats warm up efectively whic prolongs their life etc.

    If you want to cruise around at low rpm and save gas, my suggestion is buy a japanese car which most of the engines are the designed to run lower rpms.

    This is not my imagination but it's proven and said by people smarter than me. Of course, let's not forget the idiotic BMW prolonged maintenace intervals.

    Of course my car will eventually sees all those problems, but the young age and low milleage of some BMW's with these problems is ridicilous.

    That's all I have to say about that. (I stole this line from Forest Gump)



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    Re: About the M62/M62TU problems

    Ever drive a new Camry and other econobox? The engine spends plenty of time at 3K-4K just to move the POS at traffic speeds.

    I think most BMW's fall victim to the dealerships and owners minimal maintenance schedules. A BMW, or any other German car is engineered to run on the autobahn. Building a vehicle to run at high speeds for long periods of time, safely and efficiently, leads to the German "feel" that all German vehicles, even a lowly VW Jetta has. Thats why we like them and drive them. A Camry, etc. is not engineered to "feel" like this, or perform like this. Note, I did not say the German product is "better" just different. The Japs have made good progress in making vehicles reliable and more importantly, they have won the marketing battle saying so.

    You are talking about a very complex luxury vehicle that is 8 to 13 years old, with sometimes minimal maintenance. Problems will happen, things wear out or simply fail due to age, not time in service. Take any brand, in this age range and you will find the same problems.

    I believe in USING a machine regularly. Low mileage older vehicles scare me. A vehicle that sits, like some BMW's do, is never good. I try to put at least 8K on each of my vehicles each year. If not, I sell them. I also replace/repair anything that needs it, whenever it needs it, regardless of cost. This has served me well, I've never been stranded, trust my vehicles completely, and get great resale when the time comes. The difficulty is getting past the neglect after purchasing a "new" used ride.

    Lastly, this website will attract BMW owners with problems. Folks don't join up here to simply post: "I've got 150K on my 540 and no issues whatsoever!!!" People come here to solve problems. Not exactly a representative sample.

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    Maybe you need to read again what I said,

    because you misinterpreting what I'm trying to say. A lot of problems are caused because of engine not reaching operating temperature. It's how you put the miles on car, not how many.



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    VDO oil pressure and temperature gauges in place of headlight/fog switches
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    Custom made sun blinds for rear seating area

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    Re: About the M62/M62TU problems

    I may be wrong, but it is easier to drive in the RPM range you mention with your 6-speed manual than with a steptronic auto. With my 540iA, the transmission shifts so right most of the time and the torque is so good that I am not inclined to put it in sport mode and wind it up. With about 250k on two 540iA's, I have had zero engine-related problems while keeping the RPMs in the 2500 to 3000 range most of the time. So, your correlation between revving it up and lower maintenance issues has not been my experience.

    I don't think you need to wind up a 540 to get the enjoyment out of its refinement, power/torque, handling, braking, and overall road feel. It is more fun to drive at any speed or driving style than a Camry or other family sized econobox.

    When I had a 528 with a 5 speed manual, I drove it like you are describing. With an automatic, my driving habits have changed. That said, I would love to have a manual transmission again. My next car will have a clutch or I will keep my 540 and get a "weekend" car.


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    Ah ... so that's what you guys look like ;-)

    Seriously though ... my car sees 4-5k all the time right before shifts, but I don't "cruise around" town at 50-60mph in 3rd gear, do you?

    I usually find a top gear that keeps the rpm's around 2-2.5 while cruising (meaning while maintaining a constant speed in traffic). The PO always went to 6th gear during out first test drive no matter what, even in that 40-50mph range. I thought it dogged the car too much

    I rarely shift into 6th gear around town ... 4th or 5th gear tops

    What rpm range do you all use to "cruise" your manually equipped cars around town?


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    Steve, I agree with you on that. I don't drive 3-5

    k rpm all the time. Since I drive it on weekends mostly, I do more of spirited driving. 3.15 diff, non vanos M62 and 6 speed are match made in heaven. M62 non vanos loves 3-5k rpms, period.

    Yours M62TU has more torque at lower rpms and has a smoother torque band. I'm talking about people who do a lot of short runs and never get to operating temp and they simply don't realize of importance of running higher rpms every now a then.



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    Staggered 18" style 32 OEM wheels
    3.15 open differential
    Remus exhaust
    AFE CAI with improved heat shield
    Z3 shifter
    VDO oil pressure and temperature gauges in place of headlight/fog switches
    Powder coated valve covers-satin black
    CDV delete
    Debadged
    AEA DRL module (aftermarket daytime running lights)

    1997 BMW 528iA
    Alpine white, premium package, prod. date 04/97, single VANOS
    Staggered 17" style 32 OEM wheels
    Debadged
    AEA DRL module
    Custom made sun blinds for rear seating area

    2000 Nissan Frontier Desert Runner, AKA "The Work Horse"

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    Campbell Hausfeld 28 gallon oil lubricated air compressor
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    Thanks for the clarification. BTW, what is your..

    What is your impression of the difference between the steering of your 529 (Rack and Pinion) and your 540 (Recirculating Ball.) Do you prefer one over the other?

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    Rack and pinion is superior, the best way to

    describe recirculating ball compared to it is that it almost feels twitcy and nervous. It just doesn't have that direct feeling, IMO.



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    Staggered 18" style 32 OEM wheels
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    Remus exhaust
    AFE CAI with improved heat shield
    Z3 shifter
    VDO oil pressure and temperature gauges in place of headlight/fog switches
    Powder coated valve covers-satin black
    CDV delete
    Debadged
    AEA DRL module (aftermarket daytime running lights)

    1997 BMW 528iA
    Alpine white, premium package, prod. date 04/97, single VANOS
    Staggered 17" style 32 OEM wheels
    Debadged
    AEA DRL module
    Custom made sun blinds for rear seating area

    2000 Nissan Frontier Desert Runner, AKA "The Work Horse"

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    Newair ACP-1400H portable air conditioner and heater
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    Oh man...I got my 540 out this weekend turned

    off the traction control and had a blast!! I did forget that the hankooks need a little warming up when very cold and got a great drift out of them. But just apply more power and enjoy the slide!!

    My son is always ragging me about the way I drive the 540. I just tell him the care is well taken care of and I insist on driving it the way it was designed to be driven.

    On another note from our wonderful local BMW Dealer.

    My son just got an 06 E90 330i sport pkg car with 6 speed and his mother got an 06 525 premiun pkg. Both CPO cars.

    2 days off the lot (not the dealer lot), check engine light came on, airbag light came on. They kept the car 4 days and said they ordered the wrong part for the seatbelt and that the emission problem would not be handled under warranty because it was an evap hose and not the evap moduel and told her the repair would be 450.00 for the emissions problem and the airbag light would be repaired under cpo. We asked bryan how much for the evap line and bought it for 28.00. Bottom line is that we repaired the car in less than an hr and the cost of the part was 28.00.

    So see how much can be saved on one small item for all those out there afraid to tackle it themselves.

    And shame on BMW of Chattanooga So even if the retail price of 83.00 was charged by the dealer and 1 hr of labor at 120.00 should have made the bill 203.00 not 450.00!!

    Drive em like you stole em and your hair is on fire!!

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    Re: Rack and pinion is superior, the best way to

    I agree. Our other car is a 2002 530i 5/spd M Sport. I much prefer the steering feel and turn-in with the rack and would also agree that my 540iT is a little more "twitchy and sensitive" on center. Now if we had a 540 with the rack and opinion .........

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    A 540 with the feel of rack and pinion steering (m

    Last time Steve Dinan was here 540sport and I talked to him about our cars. He mentioned he had a fix for the 540 steering that made it feel just like R&P steering. He proposed it to BMW NA, it was rejected because of the labor involved to do it.
    The steering box is mounted to the frame with bolts on the lower side of the box. According to Steve the box can twist slightly to the pass side, which will effect steering. His fix is to make a bracket, secure it to the top of the box and the frame, which will keep the box stable and steering precise.
    I'm thinking about doing it this winter and will let you know the outcome.

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    Re: Rack and pinion is superior, the best way to

    When I switch between a 540 and 528 I find the 540 "dead" and "numb" by comparison, not that the 540 is twitchy or wanders. Of course RB steering boxes can wear on center so that can happen too - I thought I read about a nut/bolt which can be tightened to take up some slack. Perhaps that was on E34s? Don't forget the influence of center link, pitman arm, idler arm bushing/ball joint wear to on-center stability too.

    I find the R&P system more reactive and far more communicative to the driver about what's going on down at the wheels. I'm glad that they've included R&P across the entire 5er platform after the E39. It's too bad they couldn't have managed it in time for the E39.


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    Make me one too!!! :)

    seriously though if its easy enough to fabricate more than one, put me down for one.


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    Re: A 540 with the feel of rack and pinion steering (m

    Interesting. Next time I have the 540 on the lift, I'll look and try to see what he's talking about.



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    Staggered 18" style 32 OEM wheels
    3.15 open differential
    Remus exhaust
    AFE CAI with improved heat shield
    Z3 shifter
    VDO oil pressure and temperature gauges in place of headlight/fog switches
    Powder coated valve covers-satin black
    CDV delete
    Debadged
    AEA DRL module (aftermarket daytime running lights)

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    Alpine white, premium package, prod. date 04/97, single VANOS
    Staggered 17" style 32 OEM wheels
    Debadged
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    Custom made sun blinds for rear seating area

    2000 Nissan Frontier Desert Runner, AKA "The Work Horse"

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    Campbell Hausfeld 28 gallon oil lubricated air compressor
    Newair ACP-1400H portable air conditioner and heater
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    Making the bracket should be easy, the hard part(m

    will be attaching it to the top part of the frame. The frame will need to be drilled and then probably tapped. BMW540san can get a peak at the space available to do the work in much easier than the rest of us floor jack guys to determine how much of a problem it's going to be to do the drilling and tapping.

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    I was thinking about this recently. Lets do it.

    We should make up a bunch of brackets. I'm interested too and I'm sure Dan in NH would give us a hand fitting them on his lift. He's working on a diff stiffener bracket as well (for the 450+hp E39's).

    I still have that diagram Steve drew out for us. He said that the deflection was enough to ruin the feel even with the camber plates and specific alignment. That's what led him to work on it.
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    I can even powder coat them






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    Vin, 4got ask U about the diff stiffener bracket (

    Got any info on it? What prompted this, some problems with the diff mounts being distorted and the diff moving? If Dan isn't going to charge 2 arms and 2 legs for one I might be interested.

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