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    Before you dump E39 for E60, you might want to

    read this discussion. It goes to what I was saying about aluminum bolts. Of course, some of comments are questionable, but one thing is clear. Aluminum bolts are already breaking off at relatively low mileages, causing hefty bills and unhappy people. This is E90 forum, but the inline 6 engines are the same as in E60.
    replace xx with mm.
    http://www.bixxerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=280142



    1998 BMW 540i 6 speed
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    Staggered 18" style 32 OEM wheels
    3.15 open differential
    Remus exhaust
    AFE CAI with improved heat shield
    Z3 shifter
    VDO oil pressure and temperature gauges in place of headlight/fog switches
    Powder coated valve covers-satin black
    CDV delete
    Debadged
    AEA DRL module (aftermarket daytime running lights)

    1997 BMW 528iA
    Alpine white, premium package, prod. date 04/97, single VANOS
    Staggered 17" style 32 OEM wheels
    Debadged
    AEA DRL module
    Custom made sun blinds for rear seating area

    2000 Nissan Frontier Desert Runner, AKA "The Work Horse"

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    Re: Before you dump E39 for E60, you might want to

    My old e30 m20 motors originally had these head bolts that used to break the same way. I don't think they were aluminum but BMW didn't care that they were breaking off. All they did was update the to "stretch bolts" in the later years. They are 1 time use star head bolts that actually twist on the last turn so u can never use them again. They sucked when you ran some boost. The pressure in the combustion chamber would stretch the bolts more and then u would have a levitating cyl. head. spewing oil and coolant everywhere if it was able to run.

    My 86 325es had the original danger bolts all its life with no problems.

    I think its all a roll of the dice if you get a good car or a car built on a friday afternoon.

    Andreas
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    Re: Before you dump E39 for E60, you might want to

    I remember they even made a Tech Bulletin on the correct way to replace the head bolts (sequence of removal and installation) without having to remove the head.
    That's probably what they are gonna end up doing with the aluminum "danger" bolts. After they redesign them

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    I thought the "one-time bolts" were use to ...

    avoid a second trip back to the shop to re-torque the bolts 1K miles after installation as per standard practice. It's so much more complex to remove/replace valve covers these days. I remember being able to remove the valve cover on my Triumph GT6 in 10-15 minutes. Of course, you would be always fixing the car or replacing the broken pot metal parts such as the window winder handle.

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    Yes thats another pro but not the reason 4 change



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    I actually spent some time with an late E60 550i

    Sport/Premium and if I were in the mood to get another BMW (which I am not)it would be an E60 550i similar to the one I spent time with.

    Man that thing is a monster, had the reflexes of a 3 series and more grunt than you could imagine, the idrive pperformed flawlessly and was easy to use. Made my 540 feel like an i6! And I think it actually looks better after the E60 facelift and now looking at the new "F10" with its els=ectric steering and and wrinkled hood and upright snout, the e60 comes off as a much better looking car to me. The e60 has a really ugly engine cover.

    My son's e90 330i sport premium 6 speed car has been solid so far but he has only driven it 20K miles but with no issues and it now has 80K miles on it. He is experiencing some stumble at low speeds and irratic idle.

    I think all new BMWs are headed to the high tech graveyard at some point and I think BMW cares little if anything for the older cars/ We shall see what their effort to supply older parts actually turns out to be. Probably a parts bin for the 2002 which in my opinion can be buried alive or dead and put in a museum (I hate them and always have). Back then I thought the Datsun 510 was a much better deal and performing sedan with more performance parts available. But you dont see many of them anyhmore.

    I have no desire to go further seriuosly than the e39 540 I have now.

    Adam loves his 3 series, you will meet him eventually as he is the VP of the club and a local lawyer. He also love all the hitech BMW can throw into it's cars regardless of other failings but then he is somewhat the buyer that BMW is looking for except like me he waits for at least 4 years for BMWs to depreciate to their more honest values.

    You can replace all the bolts and sucj with ARP fasteners eventually or at some point so the actual fasteners are not a liability to those looking for performance AND reliability, all the rest will simply fix what broke and trade it in for the latest gadget.

    Michael
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    Getting loder but looking and running better every year!

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    Re: I actually spent some time with an late E60 550i

    Friend of mine is interested in one that sits at Porsche dealer. 360 horse is nice as it's probably close to E39 M5 performance. I just don't know about interior quality on E90 and E60.

    My next door neighbor also has E90 330iA. I've just finished replacing both Vanos solenoids as they get clogged up with crap,probably due to the BMW stupid oil change 15000 miles intervals. I wonder if your sons problems are conected to the Vanos issues.

    By the way, I just got our BMW CCA card today. So, I called BMW today and mention my discount to Scott in parts and he quoted me certain part. Guess what, the discount that I've been getting is still better that new one.

    I'm getting tired of different discounts from different people. Getbmwparts.com (Tischer BMW) has excellent prices and I'll probably deal with from now on.

    Anyway, I'll see you at the next meeting.



    1998 BMW 540i 6 speed
    Arctic silver, M sport suspension (euro delivery), prod. date 05/98, non VANOS
    Staggered 18" style 32 OEM wheels
    3.15 open differential
    Remus exhaust
    AFE CAI with improved heat shield
    Z3 shifter
    VDO oil pressure and temperature gauges in place of headlight/fog switches
    Powder coated valve covers-satin black
    CDV delete
    Debadged
    AEA DRL module (aftermarket daytime running lights)

    1997 BMW 528iA
    Alpine white, premium package, prod. date 04/97, single VANOS
    Staggered 17" style 32 OEM wheels
    Debadged
    AEA DRL module
    Custom made sun blinds for rear seating area

    2000 Nissan Frontier Desert Runner, AKA "The Work Horse"

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    Yeah my Sons E90 is experiencing some hiccupping

    off idle and he says he wants to clean the vanos solenoids? Does he need to replace them? His away from work email by the way is [email protected] He might be interested in what you might have to say.

    From what I understand if you get the facelift 06 and up the interior is of better quality and looks better as well. The E60 550i is a beast and is what I would move to if I were so inclined.

    Adam wants a mid to late 80s PORSCHE 911 by the time he is 35 but we'll see what another kid does to that plan if he has one.

    See you soon

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    It seems, its 50/50 success on cleaning solenoids.

    The reason I went ahead and replace them on my neighbours E90 330iA is it's his wife car and he wanted to 100% solution. Your son can definitely try and save some money as they run about $95 a piece.

    It's easy to remove them as they sit on more to the right of the block next to each other. You do need to buy new o rings as the old ones will be flattened. If you buy new solenoids, o rings are included.

    You should be able to do it in about 30-45 min for both as you only need to unplug wiring harness. It's a little bit tight, but you don't have to remove anything else to get to them. Each of them is hold by a single bolt.



    1998 BMW 540i 6 speed
    Arctic silver, M sport suspension (euro delivery), prod. date 05/98, non VANOS
    Staggered 18" style 32 OEM wheels
    3.15 open differential
    Remus exhaust
    AFE CAI with improved heat shield
    Z3 shifter
    VDO oil pressure and temperature gauges in place of headlight/fog switches
    Powder coated valve covers-satin black
    CDV delete
    Debadged
    AEA DRL module (aftermarket daytime running lights)

    1997 BMW 528iA
    Alpine white, premium package, prod. date 04/97, single VANOS
    Staggered 17" style 32 OEM wheels
    Debadged
    AEA DRL module
    Custom made sun blinds for rear seating area

    2000 Nissan Frontier Desert Runner, AKA "The Work Horse"

    Garage aids:
    Direct Lift Pro Park 8
    Campbell Hausfeld 28 gallon oil lubricated air compressor
    Newair ACP-1400H portable air conditioner and heater
    Auto Enginuity scan tool with BMW enhanced option
    Actron 9135 scan tool-for quick readouts



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    Re: Before you dump E39 for E60, you might want to

    BS.
    Ive got an 06 530ia with 120k miles already on it, and its 2x the vehicle engine wise that the e39s were. Ive had 2 99 528i(s), currently still own one now with 169k miles. Both e39s have suffered the exact same issues (pusher fan, leaky PS hoses, water pump, several(!) expansion tanks, control arms/bushings, pcv type thing, and several things I can't remember.)

    Is the e39 still a great car? you bet. Is the e60 a bad car. Not in your life. The one negative is the steering feel, and maybe a slightly more floaty ride, but thats it.

    e34 still my favorite though

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    Are these bolts aluminum or titanium? Hard to >>

    tell the difference from appearance.
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