90% of Android devices running 2.1 or newer. So

[rocketsredglare]

Android app sales are in the tank, due in part to the fragmented nature of Android.

Google's solution? Copy Apple.

Web store to allow people to browse apps from the web.

Hiring people to clean out the crap and hopefully introduce some level of quality in the Android Marketplace.

Hiring people to inspect app submissions for trojans, malware and so on.

This is a great move by Google, although as usual they're a few years late.

[Brian368s1711]

I know more about Android phones that 90% of the people that own them. I also have a Windows Phone 7 and have been delighted with it. Coming from an iPhone, it has been all that I have wanted and more. There are many subtle things about the OS like keyboard usage and its version of "multitasking" that you just don't get unless you have and use the device.

One thing about iPhone and Android will continue to suck, music. Sorry, being married iTunes blows and Android has no clear front-runner, but hey, most Android music fans just steal all their [Oops!]. The Zune Pass ecosystem is the best for anyone that loves music. End of story.

Given the time, WP7 will likely gain momentum, but understand that even a tiny market share, MS makes money._________________



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[rocketsredglare]

Motorola's iPad killer tablet, the Xoom, starts at $800 and requires a data subscription to Verizon - before you can even turn on the WiFi.

Gentlemen, start your backpedaling.

[Brian368s1711]

...or giant clockspeeds. It is smoother, there are fewer hitches and it has been more stable than the iPhone it replaced. All android users that have messed with my phone were surprised by how "fast" it was.

And yes, it has directly to do with the garbage on top of that open ecosystem you love; Sense, Blur, etc. Even a Nexus One user made the comment. I am a regular at XDA still, messed with version of android on my Touch Pro. It ain't all that, and fanboi is fanboi._________________



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[bamnetwork]

to make a splash that would resonate with the buying public.

When you see everything that is happening with android, all of the exciting new hardware, all of the marketing behind the new tablets, then the iphone coming to Verizon...Microsoft was basically asking people to trust them that the new WP7 was going to be better than their past failed attempts at a mobile OS.

This industry is about marketing something cool, and making it look much cooler than the competition. On this Microsoft schit the bed.

People aren't going to know the OS is great until, like you say, you try it.

What did Microsoft do to make anyone besides those who already wanted to, to try it?

[bamnetwork]

It may be $800 unsubsidized but there's no way its going to be $800, plus a $30/month.

And I seriously doubt the wifi is locked. There are 0 devices I know of that come with wifi locked.

But go ahead and spread your "leaked info" as if it were fact.

[bamnetwork]

as you make it.

My argument is that you are wrong on both counts and that your imaginary problem is both no big deal and even if it were as big a deal as you would love it to be, its not happening to the degree you claim.

Android Fragmentation to Apple fanboys is like Sarah Palin to Liberals. They like to work themselves up at the idea of her being president, because it makes them feel like they've got something that will inevitably doom their enemy. But everyone outside of their little circle that talks amongst themselves knows there isn't a shot in hell of it happening, so its not really an important thing to discuss.

If some priss developer decides they do not need the client base Android offers them, and they do not wish to do what is necessary to develop successful apps for Android...they don't have to.

Im positive there are more developers who are irritated with Apple's marketplace practices of rejecting perfectly good apps as they desire than they are Android fragmentation.

Or perhaps Ive simply been dealing with reasonable developers who are excited about having a second company that is activating 300k potential customers per day.

[bamnetwork]

All along Ive been waiting for Microsoft to come with the thunder against apple, and crank out awesome Zune phones.

Im not sure what the holdup has been.

Google is supposed to be coming out with music software that is similar.

Like you said, I steal everything anyway and dont need Zune or iTunes. I have no problem dragging music files into a folder on my phone.

[imadriver]

...impact on software development for the Windows operating system. Nobody developed any software for Windows computers because [gasp] the end-user was responsible for upgrading their software. Can you imagine the anarchy? The horror? Not even the hardware manufacturers (Dell, HP, etc.) were responsible for pushing the updates, this is worse - the end-user had to do it. Oh, the horror. How did our society survive? How did anything get done?

Oh that's right, we had all those millions of applications that were developed for the MAC computers.

/sarcasm

Sorry to bust your bubble, but this is a non-problem.

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2010 Magnetic Gray Tacoma Double Cab 4x4 - TRD Off-road Package - JBL Audio - Tow Package

[Brian368s1711]

Yes, WP7 has the luxuy of being into the game "late" but it is an excellent starting point. Most major gripes, Copy/Paste, app launch speeds are about to be fixed, already, not three years in. The major update in the summer will be the line in the sand. I have a feeling it will determine the level of success for the platform. It will be at a point where people on the Android 2.0 bandwagon will be able to upgrade with out penalty. The new product cycle is now limited by contracts, unlike the iPhone and G1 launches.

There is no way to effectively be new in the market anymore. Handsets are expensive, they are bought on contract and so the adoption of a new platform will be slow, but I have at least two friends with iPhones that will go to WP7 as soon as their contracts are up. They already use Zune for managing their music collections now, but don't want to shell out the penalties to upgrade. As people see the OS on friend's phones, I have a feeling will continue to gather market share.

The Nokia deal will be big if it comes through. _________________



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[Brian368s1711]

Zune Marketplace over 3G, streaming and downloading, wifi sync, what else you need?_________________



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[bamnetwork]

How are they a "few years late"?

Its only been since November of 09 that Android has even had a strong presence.

The reason people aren't buying apps as often on Android is because there are lots of Android developers making great apps for free. Ive paid for a few apps, but mostly use free apps because they work fine.

If a revolutionary app comes along I am more than happy to pay.

You really think this is a result of fragmentation? That the avg android user is refusing to buy apps because the app either does not work on their device or does not work as intended, or whatever silly reason you can come up with?

Android matched Apple in client base in just one year. In spite of all of its flaws that you choose to focus on. Are all of those people just obsessed with having a lower quality OS running inferior hardware that costs more and is marketed less?

They might not have everything completely perfect, but they are always working on making it better. An online marketplace was inevitable. Im certain the android marketplace will be regulated less snootily than iPhone.

[bamnetwork]

Im not completely tied to Android. If WP7 brings a game changer to market, maybe I'll get one. I like having more products to choose from and more companies pushing each other to speed technology.

I dont see why they dont just call it a Zune phone. They already went through the trouble of creating the Zune brand. Sticking an "i" in front of "phone" instead of "pod" to help users understand that they were getting an ipod that could (occasionally) be used as a phone, allowing them to carry one mobile device worked for Apple.

WP7 doesn't exactly roll off the tongue. Does Microsoft put any thought at all into this schit? Its seems as if they have too many well paid people who feel the need to justify their salaries these days.

[Frank Bullitt]

*lmfao*

[Brian368s1711]

...the Phone to be more than a media with dialing. I mean, it does have sharepoint, one note and other office stuff, along with a great camera app, skydrive and all the windows live trappings. It is "in the cloud". ;)

Zune is technically just one of the hubs in the phone's OS. People, Pictures and Office being others. I guess they could have called it the Windows Live Phone, Zune Phone, Sharepoint phone, heh._________________



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[rocketsredglare]

[rocketsredglare]

[DoubleD!]

"unconfirmed" section?

[rocketsredglare]

I mean, why would anyone pay money for Excel or Photoshop when they could use Calc and Gimp?








versus

[rocketsredglare]

Just ask Chuck.