J///Kidd or Reup, can u 'splain something to me?.

[rustyh]

Is there any significant difference(s) between a Shelby and this guy?

Price wise, it's between what I spec'd out a GT vs GT500 at.

And it's not only at the closest Ford dealership to me, but if you notice, it's also in Imola! :)

Seriously, between the GT500 and this, does one have a significant advantage/disadvantage over the other?

TIA,
Rusty

[JKidd]

The Roush Stage 2 Mustang starts as a GT Premium. Roush then adds a bunch of cosmetic add-ons, both inside and out. The motor is still the same 5.0L V8 in the GT.

From what I have read, they do add suspension components. My guess would be lowering springs, shocks & struts, and then rear control arms and relocation brackets (increase handling and eliminate wheel hop).

That's it. Unless you need it so say "Roush" on it somewhere or are in love with the way it looks, you'd probably be better off swapping those (suspension) parts yourself...for a LOT less. You're paying for the name (mostly). Similar to a Saleen Mustang.

Now the GT500 is a completely different car. 5.4L aluminum block supercharged engine and different suspension set it apart from the "plain" GT. Along with the cosmetic differences, the GT500 has a different 6-speed transmission than the GTs as well.

To sum up: The GT500 is a completely different car than the 5.0L GT. The Roush Stage 2 Mustang is a slightly enhanced 5.0L GT.

[peeb²]

[rustyh]

to it than that. Would have figured there was more to it than that. Almost feels like Roush sold out, sorta like I still feel when I hear Led Zeppelin on a Cadillac commercial.

So if this is just a GT dressed up, do you know if Roush is still developing their own line of Mustangs that would compete with Shelby? Or are they just a window dressing company these days?

Rusty
'05 330i ZHP in Imola

[JKidd]

That one pictured is a Stage 2. They do have a 2011 ROUSH 5XR Mustang which has suspension mods and a blower (positive displacement type) thrown on to the 5.0L (bumping it to 525 hp)...but even now, there are blower kits out that are pushing these motors past 600 hp. Too new to determine the long-term reliability, but making over 500 hp seems relatively simple and safe to do once you go forced induction.

Very similar to Saleen, they take a base 5.0L GT and modify it.

I see them as a package company - you can get different levels of "their package" to modify your Mustang that come with a warranty (I believe) - just like Dinan for BMWs....except I do not believe that Roush actually cracks into the motor - just adds things to it, and then you get the exlusivity of owning a Roush Mustang (if that is your thing)

But again, they don't do anything you can't do to it. You can buy a 5.0L GT and modify it to the point where it will beat a Shelby...but it will never be a Shelby...and there is something very menacing about how that car looks and the fact that when you strap into the driver's seat, there is a coiled-up cobra behind your neck!

[rustyh]

I can't really afford a Shelby. lol

Like I was telling the Reupster, power is lost on me. I just love that front end, and that Cobra emblem gives me a ___________. :)

Rusty
'05 330i ZHP in Imola

[JKidd]

However, a 2010 Shelby can be had for a relatively decent price.

The only difference is the iron block (2010) vs. the aluminum block (2011) and some minor suspension tweaks (I believe). With the weight reduction coming right off the front end, the newer Shelby has become an excellent handler. The 2010's were still fast as hell but were criticized for their nose-heavy handling and excessive weight. Switching to the aluminum block helped both of those things tremendously.

[reupreckt]

based on comparisons I've seen. the 2010 iron block version was close as makes no difference to 4000 lbs. Suspension changes are supposed to be very worthwhile as well.

[reupreckt]

upgrades have been favorably reviewed. Jeremy Clarkson said he'd take the Roush (it was some ~400HP version of the old motor) over the GT500 because the suspension/handling were so much better sorted.

Of course for the money of either of those, I'd be looking elsewhere, I think.

[JKidd]

[reupreckt]

of the 2010. You're going to hold out quite a while on this new car, huh?

[JKidd]

2010 Shelby's can be had for close to what a new GT is going for (obviously depending on options).

So, since I can't afford a 2011/2012 Shelby, a 2010 Shelby or a 2012 GT are in my price range...and I'm opting for the GT.

2011's stopped production already. Whatever I order from the dealer now will be a 2012 and I believe they are due to start pumping those out (ie. firing up the factory) starting this week. I think sometime in late December was the cutoff for 2011's. Anything ordered after that became a 2012 MY.

So, no, I'm not holding out. I'd actually like to visit a dealer this week and get the ball rolling.

[rustyh]

same cupholders as the 2011's?

(sorry, thought some humor might help me forget I can't afford a Shelby) :)

Rusty
'05 330i ZHP in Imola

[JKidd]

[ezsce46]

what's the faster of Camero models?-

RS>SS>Z28?

[JKidd]

The plan is to have the Z28 compete more with the Boss 302 at the track. With an already potent power plant, it most likely will focus on handling tweaks and lower weight.

I believe the SS will be the big-power Camaro.

[reupreckt]

end version of the supercharged vette motor?

As much as I respek the power - it's still massive, portly and a GM car which I'd never own.....even if it has a meeeeeelion horsepower. The only thing that pains me when I make the soapbox declaration that I'll never buy GM is the CTS-V. I kinda like that car.