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    driving school brake recomnd??..pbr mtl distroyed

    i am really getting into this driving school thing. ITS VERY ADDICTIVE. my 89 325 has all the suspension sorted, and brakes are in the works. over the last 5 e30's ive slowly been upgrading the systems. i really enjoyed the last setup but now have reached its limits. i need some recommendations on pads.

    ive got zimmerman crossdrilled, and stainless lines. however, i ate one set of fresh pbr's the last driving school. in fact, i overheated it to the point of nearly melting the backing plate. (see photo with piston impression stamped into backing plate and the pad surface completely crumbling.)

    without spending $60-140 per axel, whats my next choice? any insight or recommendations?

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    Re: driving school brake recomnd??..pbr mtl distroyed

    Brake pads for less than $60/axle? The only thing I know of at that price is the Axxis Ultimate, which is a lot better pad than the MetalMaster but still wont hold up to the abuse a fast beginner or intermediate will give them.

    For now, run Hawk Blue ($90ish) on the front, and learn how to use the brakes, or rather quit over-using them. Dont run the Blues on the street, they will destroy your bling-bling rotors and make a mess of your wheels too. The PBR MetalMasters should do fine on the rear with the Blues on the front.

    If you melt the Blues you can go to the Hawk HT10 or add ducts. With the HT10s you will need a torqueier rear pad, like the Mintex 1144, to have any kind of decent bias.

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    Re: driving school brake recomnd??..pbr mtl distroyed

    Hi
    If you are doing DEs...you dont want to go cheap on brake pads and fluid.
    A while back, i was running this kevlar $60/axle pads which i thought was great...until i started autox and faded the brakes severely and ran off course badly...after that, its been good brake pads all the time.

    To save money, you can run a dedicated track pads and swap them when u hit the street.

    Hawk blue = Great decent priced pad
    Hawk HT-10 = Better pad but pricey
    Ferodo DS3000 = Great pad, cheaper than hawk ht-10
    Ferodo DS2500 = Affordable but not as good as the Hawk Blues.

    Good luck on your brake choice. My advise is dont go cheap on brakes...you dont want it to fade and then u run into the back of a porsche (no it did not happen to me)

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    thanks for advice.

    i hate to sound cheap....but with wife, son, ect. it gets a little hard to convince my wife on 4 driviing schools a year.... ive learned my lesson on struts (cant say enough about the bilsteins) so now ive got to learn some lessons on brakes.

    i think Jenny Morgan stated it best in the last roundel.....why is it that you never have enough time and money to do it right the first time.....buy you always have enough time and money the second time???

    thanks again.


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    Love my Ferodo's...and they don't long to heat up


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    Give Hawk HP+ a try, great for schools

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    PBR MTL is s..t. Go to Jurid or PF90

    At around $50 you can get a set of Jurid. I used them for driver school. Excellent. They clamp hard. Then if you want to spend a bit more, then get Performance Friction PF90s.

    My BMW 2002 racecar has PF90s.

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    I use PF-97s and they REALLY work

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    As a guy w/ wife and kids too >

    Get a dedicated set of GOOD race pads for the front axle. It will cost less in the long run - your regular street pads will not get used up and you can do a whole lot of track schools on the race pads.

    Do not buy the highest torque pad you can find because you will screw up the balance... Hawk Blue ($90) or Performance Friction 97s ($150) are fantastic, reasonable (try bimmerforums group buys) and have good pedal feel. I have used the PF-97s for four schools this year and they are less than 30% worn.

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    First lose the cross drilled rotors...

    I race an '89 325i and I had Zimmerman crossed drilled rotors all the way around. I got one race out of the front and about 5 track days and I got one race and one track day out of the rears before they broke! I am running power slot rotors now with Hawk HP+ pads and they are working great. TireRack has good prices on the rotors and pads.

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    Nice Setup!!


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    Carbotech XP-9 (new 1109 compound)

    that'll slow things down

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    thnks for info. got set of HP+ BUT........

    i went through a full set of HP+ in 4 sessions. pad actually delaminated off the backing plate. im now at 1:30 (unofficial) at blackhawk farms (in rockton, il). I think I need some bigger "anchors."

    Its time for dedicated track pad.

    cheers,
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    I really like the Hawk HP plus on my e46 M3


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