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    Poorly done by Williams and Montoya

    Montoya got too impatient with Rubens (even though he was probably sand bagging), was too impatient in the rain and wasn't helped by repeated team errors. First the fuel rig problem and then the decision to run on full rain tires rather than intermediates. Poor start too really cost him.


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    I\'d say one of the worst performances by the team

    this year.

    And Ralf could have avoided his spin too.

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    Poor start...WTF...RB held JPM on the start and on

    turn 1...see my post

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    Agreed. JPM screwed the pooch.

    If RB was sandbagging, how come JPM could not get his nose ahead on his passing attempt, while Couthard passed RB easily on the previous lap? JPM didn't get his nose in front, then didn't back off like he should have. Bad job.

    I just saw a reply of the race, and JPM simply got a bad start -- his car always seems to get a bad start from the dirty side of the track. Not his fault. From the replay, it looked as if JPM weaved quite a bit trying to find a way out of his bad start. RB made one move to the inside/middle, then stayed there. I have no issues whatsoever with the way RB drove.

    JPM botched the pass attempt. It happens to the best of them. And the penalty was warranted, I'm sorry to say. Ralf did worse, and the team did quite a bit wrong on top of it. Depressing day.<br><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Charcoal'>10/01 Jet Black SMG coupe, New Jersey, exit 50B</span></p>

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    Seems like everything went bad...sometimes

    There's not much you can do. I haven't gone back to look at the situation with Rubens. It would have been better if he'd been on the front row. He didn't get such a good start, but he was moving up. Rain just turns it into a crap shoot. Even Michelin has admitted they're way off on the rain tires and will do better.

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    Re: Agreed. JPM screwed the pooch.

    RB let Schumacher pass and then slowed up the entire field. DC got by RB easily, but JPM got by DC easily later. Maybe RB wasn't sand bagging, but he was definitely slow.

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    Rubens\' point of view

    Comments from Rubens, which seem fair:

    "I did not have a good start as I encountered problems selecting second gear as the automatic upshift was not working and I had to select the gears manually. I lost time and people overtook me as I dealt with the problem."

    Atlas F1 says, "Barrichello, a close friend of fellow South American Montoya, claimed he had left enough space for the Colombian and insisted that a collision at the stage of the race was not necessary. 'We've always said that we are running quite close and one day we might touch, but it shouldn't have been today because it was a close battle,' said Barrichello, before Montoya was given a drive-through penalty for his actions. 'The turn actually turns quite rapidly. I didn't turn in onto him. I thought I had left enough space. I didn't even reach the apex of the corner and all of a sudden I felt a bang.'"

    Looking at the replay, I have to agree with RB's interpretation. He left JPM just enough room -- as JPM has done to others many times. JPM didn't back off and was carrying too much speed to stay tight near the apex. The damp conditions probably contributed to JPM pushing RB off.

    It was a tricky situation and a close call, but the stewards would have been remiss in not giving JPM the penalty. I'd be happier if the stewards had let it slide, but I can't blame them for the ruling.<br><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Charcoal'>10/01 Jet Black SMG coupe, New Jersey, exit 50B</span></p>

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    Schumi made a damn good start

    Let's not forget he started seventh. He had a great launch to get into a position near RB. JPM got a horrible start, as usual with a Williams on the dirty side of the track.

    Supposedly there was a problem with the automatic upshift on RB's car. We may be suspicious about that, but it's a common enough problem to be believable.

    The conditions were starting to get slightly damp, and JPM wanted to get by RB while he still had an advantage -- except that by the time he attempted the pass, he didn't have enough of an advantage. <br><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Charcoal'>10/01 Jet Black SMG coupe, New Jersey, exit 50B</span></p>

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    Don\'t necessarily disagree with that....but

    I wish the stewards were more consistant.

    I recall MS punting Trulli earlier in the season at Malaysia...I don't recall a drive thru penalty imposed then.....<br>


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    Colombian style ?

    JPM should be happy that he didn't get hurt after knocking others off course time after time. Hope he won't kill himself or others in the future.

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    LOL, first off nothing has happened \"time after

    time" and when it has happened it's been in slow corners with wide runoff. Second, Montoya is one of the best and most fearless passers around. The fact that he is able to often pull off incredible passes with no contact and race so closely without crashing shows that he's just at another level. If he makes contact every now and then, so be it, it's part of the sport and makes it that much more exciting. His side-by-side action with MS at Monza shows that when he's with drivers at his plateau the action can stay on track while being incredibly close. If you're not willing to risk contact you'll never be an effective passer.

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    BTW, who put that big tire mark on the side of MS?

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    c\'mon now!

    I don't buy that one bit. <br><img src="http://homepage.mac.com/booboo/.Pictures/axis.jpg"height=180 width=180>

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    found it, it was DC

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    I saw that.. Was hoping DC would take him out :-)

    Saw it with my own eyes in stand H! In fact, I saw a few instances of contact in turn 1, but JPM was the only driver penalized for it that I know of. At the track they never said why he came in for an extra stop, we all assumed that they had a tire problem or something.

    That and the %$@$^@ faulty French fuel rig were too much to overcome after that horrible start. I wouldn't put it past Ferrari to arrange for Rubens to have gearbox problems.

    Later in the race when MS passed Button I was hoping for Button to take out MS. Too bad his engine couldn't blow in front of MS :-) I was suprised Button parked it so far from any corner workers. It sat there and smoked for half an hour before anyone touched it.

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    sounds sporting!

    ...I guess JPM has worse "CAR-MA" than MS. It was a master class from Ferrari and Schumacher really.
    Too bad they gave JMP the penalty, they should have let him get away with it. Maybe they could have made the track a little wider for him too so he would not run off the road four times ;^)<br><img src="http://homepage.mac.com/booboo/.Pictures/axis.jpg"height=180 width=180>

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    We sat in H on Sat, great seats for turn 1

    In NW Vista we were so high up we were shielded from the rain by the deck above, those were goods seats too, even if a little farther away from the track

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    Bad things happen to everyone, except MS!

    OK, he has hit a few bumps on the way to this championship, but nothing like the ones other teams and drivers seem to hit. Of course, Ferrari makes quite a bit of their own luck through thorough preparation.

    I almost wish Kimi hadn't made it up to 2nd position, since it would have been pretty neat to see MS made champion for the 6th time while I was there. MS would have to hit on some astoundingly bad luck to lose now. Still a good chance for Williams to get the constructor's title, so Suzuka will be interesting to watch for that. Or maybe boring, since JPM and RS will need to play it safe to get maximum points.

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    We were shielded from rain by a dozen Columbians!

    With all the flags and stuff they had, we were barely touched by rain or sun on race day! This was one time I was glad not to have double-letter seats. I'll try to get some pix posted tonight...
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    partisanship aside

    I thought it was a great race, I wish Monty could have used his noodle more and have been up there still in contention, but I think Williams as a team really blew it. Ferrari MUST have had better weather reports because the car was clearly set up for intermediate conditions, there's no way that tires alone account for the difference (even though Sauber on B-Stones did well). Fuel stop, off road excursions, Ralf not coming in (and not slowing down), putting full wets on JPM..... Patrick Head's hemorroids must have finally exploded!<br><img src="http://homepage.mac.com/booboo/.Pictures/axis.jpg"height=180 width=180>

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