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    Is Webber a Williams type?

    While I respect Webber's driving abilities in the Jag. I have never found him to be as naturally quick as KR,FA, or JPM..the so call young guns.

    He is obviosuly a hard worker both on & off the track but I'd say he reminds me of a young Coulthard...

    Not quite good enough for the top rung but FW might be fascinated enough w/ him to overpay...


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    disagree completely

    remember that while Kimi and JPM started at the top with first tier cars Webber has actually managed to make the Jag look good on occasion and even managed to score with Minardi.<br><img src="http://homepage.mac.com/booboo/.Pictures/axis.jpg"height=180 width=180>

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    Webber is driver of the year IMO

    The guy puts a top 10-20 car in top 6 position has got my vote as driver of the year. Montoya has always got a top 6 car nothing brilliant when he finishes in the top 6 and can we please count how many races the guy won in his 2 season? On paper he is not that brilliant just like Coulthard.

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    Why do Montoya \"haters\" insist on comparing him

    with F1 drivers who's careers have been much longer than his own? Shouldn't he be compared to Kimi, Alonso, Webber, and maybe Button and Heidfeld? At least if you are only considering results. Considering wins last year, should we also "count" Kimi's, Ralf's, Ruben's and DC's wins as well? Exactly what story is told by that?

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    not a Montoya \"hater\"...

    ... I like the guy but he still has much to prove in F1. He did win three races in 3 years but, but compare his record with MS first three years and you can see it's not quite up there...yet.<br><img src="http://homepage.mac.com/booboo/.Pictures/axis.jpg"height=180 width=180>

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    You can\'t compare those situations.

    Webber is good and he's not really been in a top car. Williams has seen him test and that tells a big part of the story. It's one thing to drive with commitment on a race weekend another during day after day of testing. And they get a lot of time to look at how he drives the car.

    As far as Montoya's concerned, any time you win an F1 race you can't be too bad. There have been many guys who never won a race. I was hoping to see him do a little more at Monza this year, but I think Ferrari blunted that opportunity with the Michelin BS. Remember in 2002 he set the fastest lap of all time there. That eclipsed Keke Rosberg if I remember right and the Turbo era, pretty impressive.

    AC, you come across like JPM's got something to prove? What makes Kimi any different or better? Juan's got better statistics overall. A lot of what a driver does with his career, is not necessarily what he does in his first years, but how he manages his career and making the proper moves at the right time. Michael certainly did that and managed the situation to assure his success. Jean Alesi for instance, was always in the wrong place. David Coulthard should have been the team leader at McLaren after Mika left, but he hasn't done that. Juan is going to McLaren in 2005. I don't think a case can be made that he's going to a better platform than he had at Williams. McLaren made a mess out of 2003 from the standpoint of their new car...they never really had one. Now we are to assume they'll come up with top car for 2004. We'll have to wait and see if JPM has moved to the right place.

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    Re: Why do Montoya

    Look the guy has had a very fast car with an incredible engine and a group of engineers that know what they are doing. In my opinion he has not delivered great results, all those excuses about rookie year are just that excuses. He had the fastest car many many times and what was his excuse, tires and reliability. Truth is that In racing you either win or lose and due to the many occasions he had he did not win an enough amount of races to justify all the talk about him. montoya is all hype because he raced in the united states and won the indy500. I understand you are a fan and like the guy but you have to wonder if Jeff Gordon wouldn't have done a similar or better job, in my opinion he would have and this is from a person that doesn't even like Jeff Gordon. 2005 Sebastian Bourdai(spell) will have more win than Montoya in the first 3 years

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    Why trash Montoya?

    You compare him to a guy with talent, Sebastien Bourdais, who finished fourth in CART. Bourdais has done nothing to suggest he will do better than Montoya in is first three years. What does racing in the US and the Indy 500 have to do with Montoya hype?

    All those excuses his rookie year? Are you aware that only 7 drivers have one a race in their first season?

    You have every right not to like Juan Montoya, but you are digging pretty deep here to trash they guy.

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    \"Friend\", thanks for answering my questions. You

    don't have to like Montoya, you don't even have to "rate him", people who know a lot more about F1 than you are I seem to think pretty highly of him, no?

    For clarification, I am not a huge Montoya fan, it just gets old hearing all the Ferrari lovers, Michael lovers, and eledged Tifosi trash him. I'm not even a huge Willaims fan. I found F1 as broing when they dominated as I did the 2002 season. My connection to both Montoya and Williams is that piece of crap lump in the back of the car...

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    Webber seems more like Schumi

    as he can work better with the engineers/team and on several occasions has made a bad car look good. IMO if somehow FW gets him in his car for the coming season, then Webber will be 2004 champion.<br>
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