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    BMW M2 vs Audi RS3

    What do you think about this comparison? According to GCF, the RS3 will be pushing 350hp from a twin-turbo 3.2L V6 unit.

    Twin turbos, 350hp...with quattro AWD...this will be VERY fast off the line. BMW needs to step it up (especially after the RS6 plus spanked the E60 M5 before it's even released!).

    BMW should really invest in a 3L+ I6 for the M2...or use the good-old turbo approach. Otherwise...BMW is really gonna feel the heat from Ingolstadt.
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    Re: BMW M2 vs Audi RS3


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    Re: BMW M2 vs Audi RS3

    bmw will never turbo petrol engines. why do you think there's a V10 in the new M5

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    Turbo is the way to go.....

    Both Rs3 and r32 weight over 1.5 tons.A 3liter 1er series would come close to 1.5 tons too.All these modern power hatches with the big engines are compact in size but offer no significant weight advantage.
    Turbo equipment on the other hand is light(just 40 pounds)and a 1.6 liter turbo would have the handling advantage of a 116i with all togther 300-400 pounds less weight on the front axle.
    Their new dual turbo technology eliminates turbo lag and can produce up to 10hp/liter in a diesel,in a gasoline engine 15hp/liter should be possible.A 1.6 liter dual turbo would offer 240 hp and weight 20% less than a 330 i. Even a 1.4 liter could produce 220 hp,such a car sold as just an 114ti(without expensive M badge)for say 25 k would be my dream 1er series and a real spiritual successor to the great 2002.

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    Remember though....the M2 is going to be a coupe..

    Much lighter. Rumors are that the 2.5L would go into it and be turbo charged. That's a rumor though, no solid proof. BMW has said though that they are looking at Turbos again.

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    Who really wants that girlie micro coupe?

    A small BMW should imho look as practical and functional as a Stihl chainsaw like the old 02 did.At least here in europe not so many people will buy a girlie micro coup with a trunk at premium prices,high school kids will lack funds and the others want serious cars for grown ups.

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    Re: BMW M2 vs Audi RS3

    putting a turbo in an M car would violate one of the tenants of M cars, as far as I know. they are(I believe) manual transmission, n/a engine, and one other, but I can't remember.

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    I do, of course I'm on my 4th 02....

    Performance + fuel mileage + small car handling = fun

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    Any word if the RS3 will come to the US?


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    Re: BMW M2 vs Audi RS3

    RS3 should be very, very fast on a straight line, quattro-traction + 350bhp (or even more), but unless it makes a major leap from the current A3-base, I doubt it will involve the driver like the M-cars do.

    RS6 (and RS6+) demonstrate this well, like Mercedes' E55/E65 AMGs, they both accelerate much faster than E39 M5 but their handling is competent at best.

    I don't think the M2 (or will be it be M1 now?) is even trying to out-do the RS3 in 0-60 or qm times. I think the M2/M1's real mission is to replace the E30 M3, which was an excellent handling car, but not exceptionally fast on a dragstrip or in the snow ;)!

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    they (BMW) should already feel the heat.....

    read the auto mags lately ? - S4 beats M3, old A6 beats new 530i, new A8 beats new 745i (first of 8 vs. last place for the 7). new one series stlying is ?? - new A3 styling is very nice. finally bought our first Audi after 8 BMW's. (kept the M3)

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    A4 not a good choice over 3 series

    I just recently began driving an A4 (2.5 TDI) after driving a 330d for nearly four years.

    In my opinion the 330d beats the A4 on just about everything but ride quality.

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    we can't get the 330d in the USA....or the A4tdi


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    Re: Turbo is the way to go.....

    I dunno...the magnesium block 3.0 I-6 is supposedly the lightest 3 liter 6 ever...

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    can't be completely true, e36 m3's came with auto

    although i believe this is the only model...unless you count SMG...

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    Re: BMW M2 vs Audi RS3


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    Re: BMW M2 vs Audi RS3

    Won't you feel like an @$$ when BMW proves you wrong.

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    Re: can't be completely true, e36 m3's came with auto

    I believe that this was the creed after the E36 auto M3. That is the reason they never made a M version of the X5.

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    Re: can't be completely true, e36 m3's came with a

    true but if i remember correctly, it was only the US model that came with an automatic, and compared to the M3 the rest of the world had, the US M3 was a little watered down.

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    Re: BMW M2 vs Audi RS3

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    audi rs3 260kw
    bmw m2 275kw

    what is faster

    that is roughly 370-380bhp for the m2

    compared to roughly 350-360bhp for the rs3

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