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    Michelin \"Secret Sauce\"

    N E was else think Michelin is working closely with Renault for special compounds for the Renault team???

    I think they are, can't prove it, but.....Renault certainly has better grip than Williams BMW.

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    Why would Renault get preferential treatment?

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    French Connection

    Suspension and tires are crucial for grip, and the Renault is better than the BMW with the similar suspension.

    Which leads me to believe Michelin is supplying a different compound to Renault.

    Both French companies.

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    Hmm, interesting theory. But that would be fore

    saking every other team using Michelins, not just Williams/BMW. I don't think the other top teams would allow that to happen. 91 325i "Cashmere"
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    Bridgestone & Ferrari

    Have a realtionship that other teams don't have.

    Michelin is doing "Extra" for Renault, their both French.

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    difference is other bridgestone teams knew of the



    it's a demo. so guess what the details are.
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    WRONG

    Last year, due to their chassis set up, wide engine, lower CG.... Renault was able to use softer compound tires.

    Stop your BS, please.
    If you want to be loud about F1, get your things straight first.

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    what\'s the controversy here?

    of course Michelin has different compuonds for teams to choose from....

    and it is true that there is a Michelin designed and patented suspension "trick" that is exclusive to Renault. I think it's called something like constant contact something or other. So yeah in a sense Renault is getting extra help from Michelin.<p align=center>
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    Thanks AC

    Glad to hear your educated answers.

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    About OPT (Educated answer, AndyO, take notes)

    Few facts about OPT:

    The tire wars in F1 took a controversial turn after it was revealed that Michelin was developing a radical rear-suspension system that was made made available only to Renault. This is back in early 2003.


    It is true that Renault had been testing a rear-suspension system that originated with Michelin and named OPT, it translates as Optimum Contact Patch

    Testing have been on-going since late in 2002. Info made it public early/mid 2003.

    What OPT does is automatically adjust the camber in the rear wheels to allow the maximum amount of tire-surface-to-road-surface contact while the car is cornering.

    It essentially becomes a new generation of traction control without using the technology. This gives the Renaults a tremendous advantage in acceleration off the corners over its competitors.

    OPT is a mechanical suspension device permitting the best contact with the track. usually, this contact is lost when a normal car leans over in a corner, but OPT uses a complex linkage that keeps the wheel upright even when the car is tilted in a corner.

    For the Renaullt, this system translates into significant improvement in lap times, cornering performance, in acceleration and braking, as well as improving the wear from the tires.

    This added to the fact that Renault lowered the CG, allowed them to be able to use SOFTER compound tires.

    Of course Michelin provides different compounds to the teams, BUT Renaults was able to use the SOFTER ones whereas the other teams could not benefit from those due to chassissetup and excessive wear.

    Renault has been in on the new technology from the start, did all the testing for Mcihelin,

    UNFORTUNATELY OPT got banned.


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    I thought that last year already. I ha8 the french


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    nope. Show us the "black and white" facts


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    Renault Results

    Improved dramatically over WilliamsBMW.

    BMW producing more HP than Renault.

    Conclusion is Renault has better grip in the corners.

    Renault already developed a unique design with their suspension and Michelin was involved.

    Rick, U R a "newbie" to this board, if you have been following F1 like the rest of us, U would of known this.

    Rick, U better respect the elders on this board B 4 opening your smart lip, OK?

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    Re: Renault Results

    Perhaps Renault has a better driver or their engine has more torque which helps in those low-speed corners.

    Sorry, I don't have much respect for your posts at all.

    By the way, congrats for getting three of your recent posts on the E60 board closed.

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    Let's See

    Took Jarno Trulli 119 starts for his first win. JPM won last year after 2 years in F1, and JPM very successful in CART as well as Indy 500 winner.
    RS also has 6 wins, and will defend his win next week at Nurburgring.

    Next stupid comment please.

    Your posts are not very enlightening either "Paul Bracq Fan" time to find a modern designer and quit admiring the past designers, 6 series E24 was his shining accomplishment with BMW.

    Deleted post, No big deal, more to come.

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    Re: Let\'s See

    Why are you telling me who to admire? I like Henrik Fisker and Ian Callum.

    I like the BMW Turbo concept and the E24 and Paul's other cars.

    I could truly care less about Chris Bangle (except for the E46). He has ruined part of BMW, imo.

    Why didn't he just copy the 911?

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    You are getting really annoying, stop your BS


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