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    120,000 @ USGP

    Interesting article, and mention of bringing F1 to another site in USA possibly Long Beach, the New York idea is crazy, racing in Manhattan, I hope not!!! Last paragraph mentions USGP attendance.

    Formula One is still pondering how to conquer America as it heads back to its European heartland. The world championship circus packed its bags after a demolition derby of a United States Grand Prix at the hallowed Brickyard circuit in Indianapolis, the spiritual home of US motorsport.

    Multiple story lines included world champion Michael Schumacher's mental fortitude as he shrugged off a scary crash by his brother Ralf to win his eighth race of the season. Spectacular wipeouts and a duel between Schumacher and Ferrari teammate Rubens Barrichello also made up one of the more entertaining races this season.

    But Formula One, popular in almost every corner of the world, again failed to make much of a dent in the idiosyncratic US sporting consciousness. "I think we have to look at how we can get better penetration into America," said David Richards, team principal of the BAR-Honda team this weekend.

    The race lacked a network television deal that is the key for primacy for any US sport -- and went out instead on niche station SPEED Channel. Despite its drama, the race didn't even merit a headline on the powerful ESPN news show Sportscenter, which featured US Open Golf, a home run milestone for baseball's Ken Griffey Junior and basketball star Kobe Bryant's legal woes.

    And in USA Today, which bills itself as the only US national newspaper, Formula One was confined to page 11 of the sports section, overshadowed by a page lead report on the latest NASCAR race. Formula One's trouble cracking the US market mirrors the struggle of football, or soccer as it is known here.

    Though almost all US schoolchildren play the game, mention of the sport that captivates the rest of the world is likely to elicit a yawn among American sports fans. There is also a cultural gulf. American motorsport is epitomised by National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing (NASCAR) in which closely matched cars constantly jockey for the lead on an oval track.

    Open wheel racing here is dominated by the Indy Car Racing series IRL and interest peaks with the Indianapolis 500 around an Oval track in May -- with far more lead changes than the average Formula One race.
    "We are not close enough to the people... that is part of the American culture and it is not for them to change, it is for us to change," said Jordan's Eddie Jordan. Other sports also have a hold on the US imagination, including NFL football, baseball, basketball and golf, leaving little room for an interloper.

    Still, Formula One, beset by astronomical costs is determined to conquer America -- if only because sponsors have deeper pockets here. "From Ford's point of view we would be delighted to have another American race -- it is an American company and it is the biggest market for Jaguar," said Tony Purnell, Jaguar-Ford team principal. "I think the only caution is that Americans like to be entertained and if we don't entertain them it won't catch on. Simple as that."

    A second Grand Prix in the United States could take place in Long Beach, California, which often hosted races in the 1970s and 1980s. It was reported last week that Formula One chief Bernie Ecclestone had also opened talks about holding a race between the skyscrapers of Manhattan, though no deal with New York is near.

    Indianapolis will stay on the calendar, at least for the next few years. An estimated 120,000 people showed up for the race, fewer than crowd numbers for the Indy 500 or NASCAR Brickyard 400, but still not a bad total. But a move to boost Formula One in America may not please the world's most famous racing driver who loves the United States, largely because no one knows him.

    Michael Schumacher reluctantly confirmed that he had shown up to a NASCAR promotion -- the Richard Petty driving experience -- two years ago in Texas for a chance to drive a souped up stock car. He left the queue after an hour, refusing to use his name to jump to the front, but marvelling at his anonymity. "I found it very nice," he said.



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    USGP should go back to Watkins Glen

    If the track can handle Nascar crowds, they can handle it for F1. Plus we'll get to benefit from the upgrades!

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    West Coast Please

    Eddie Jordan is campaigning for Long Beach because the fans are close to the circuit.
    This would be similar to Monaco "Street Circuit" with no run off


    I guess you could race at the California Speedway into a F1 circuit, they already have an infield road course. Roger Penske owns the track, and could pull one over on Tony George at IMS.

    No problem with rain, doesn't rain much in the dessert.

    Any votes for Las Vegas?????

    http://dbserver.iscmotorsports.com/C...dway/index.cfm
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    didnt they try a grand prix in vegas and it failed



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    Nah... LA can't even get

    it's act together to get the most popular sport in America in town: FOOTBALL.

    So how can a niche sport get any community & civic leaders to put up money for the race...

    We don't need 2 races in the USA. Cause we can't even get pub for the 1 we have.

    Put it in Mexico & there's 3 races for the F1 circus in the western hemisphere.

    I don't live in Indy or Montreal..but I still went to those races, there's not an excuse for West Coast ppl not to travel. We can't just give them a F1 race ya know...

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    The USGP has had 9 locations

    Sebring (track)
    Riverside (track)
    Watkins Glen (track)
    Long Beach (street)
    Las Vegas (parking lot)
    Phoenix (street)
    Dallas (fairgrounds)
    Detroit (street)
    Indianapolis (track)


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    Good Points U make

    Guess I'm being selfish, SoCal race would be convenient.

    Replace the current Long Beach "open wheel" event with the F1 drivers.

    Toyota Nissan Honda all have their national HQ's blocks away and all the others have satellite regional offices within 60 miles including design studios. Current LBGP sponsored by Toyota event draws 100K spectators easily and F1 would bring more people in, and give a shot in the arm to Long Beach on a global level.

    Drawback with Long Beach, no run offs, similar to Monaco it being a street race.


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    Self interest but not wrong. @ the end of the day

    LB would be great because it's in the LA area & near all the stars.
    But they come & go. It's the die hard fans that will make the race & pay Bernie & Tony & Whoever the Promoter is.

    & That's only going to happen if F1 is more accessible ala NASCAR to the fans.

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    how about cart supporting f1 to make a huge event?

    a lot of the drivers see cart as a stepping stone in the us to f1. some of them have already been in f1: bruno junqueira, justin wilson. bourdais was f3000 champ. i think making a huge weekend out of another f1 race would be great. wasn\'t bernie looking at buying cart last year? i think gentilozzi and other cart owners need a bit of help to kick the crap out of anton george and f1 is their version of the USA. plus, it would freak the hell out of anton b/c of his small connection to f1.

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    Good Idea

    After reading your post, I put 2+2 together

    The reason anton wanted F1 at IMS is to control open wheel racing. He has his lame IRL then he has connections with Bernie and F1.

    I agree about CART being a stepping stone to F1, just like other sports have leagus below pro

    MLB has their own development teams
    NHL/AHL
    NFL/NBA has college feeder system which is hugely lucrative because the Pro franchises spend nothing and pluck these kids out at their prime.

    CART was doing fine B4 IRL muudied up the waters for open wheel racing

    Don't forget JPM came out of CART and won at Indy.


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    i agree. i enjoy watching nascar now because of

    the overall sport and its entertainment. i admit that i get a little bored watching nascar for the entire race. i have ps2 setup with a nascar racing game in it, so when i get bored i go race my favorite driver on the track they are racing on in reality. however, the manner in which they present the sport is incredible. they make it such a warm, welcoming sport that i can\'t help but watch it. look at the commercials they have. they mix current and previous cars on the track. it might just be marketing hype, but they keep the hype going ALL YEAR ROUND, which is extremely important. the problem with f1 to its fan is, f1 as a whole acts as if it is better than the fans. think about, they only allow fans to get up close to the cars, at the usgp and even the drivers aren\'t there. when was the last time, the f1 drivers had an autograph session or you saw a commerical with an f1 driver. the only reason the drivers and their teams can afford to fly in on private jets and make this ridiculous money is THE FANS. ticket prices are so expensive its absurd. sponsors spend a lot of money to reach the fans. f1 needs to become more fan oriented, then it will get bigger here in america.

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    I'll even say that relative to other sports, the

    tixs prices aren't that bad.
    It's just the, the entertainment value that you spoke of, is a bad return.

    I just read this Biz Week article & basically Bernie doesn't promote & he blames the race track promoters/owners with not promoting.

    Oh brother!!!

    They'd had all better wakeup & know that the cash cow ain't gonna be there forever. Ppl complain about Indy getting 120k ppl this past weekend. In a F1 hotbed like Germany, the article said that they just got 106 in a 160K seat track.

    F1 is starting to go out of ppl's conscient all over cause the avg fan can't relate @ all to these guy. & F1 shows no sign of reciprocating either.

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