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    Spa!

    What a race! Finally, a race that was exciting. It seems almost like a different sport altogether than the processional at Hungary. I am so glad this race is back on the calendar.


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    Re: Spa!

    It was much better than previous races, and not just because MS did not win. There was passing. Everybody, almost, was on a two stop strategy virtually eliminating pit manuevering and shuffling like usually happens. Ferrari really couldn't plan the race to give MS a chance to do flyer laps, he only got one, and just didn't have the car under him to go that fast.
    Hmmm, brings up an idea. The league sets the number of pit stops. two or three depending on the track. No restrictions on when you do them, yellow, green, whatever. (And no, I don't want to go the way that Champ car does it with the manditory green flag stops). You can make more stops, but can only put fuel in on the number of stops dictated by the league (2 or 3 times). (The advantage of three or more stops being you can keep your overall weight lower than everybody else). Maybe you also restrict the stops until after a certain lap in the race forcing everybody to have a least a minimum amount of fuel on board. I think this would encourage more on-track passing.
    I know the action in this race was mostly due to the track and the conditions, but I think the pit stops had something to do with it too.
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    Re: Spa!

    Interesting thought. However, I think it is another way of bending the rules for competition sake. Yes, most fans want to see more passing and more competition. Seeing the same guy win every race is a bit dissapointing. But, Formula One is about being the best team, that has worked the hardest and yes, spent the most money. Having rules that limit that aspect is a little unfair to those who do work the hardest. Putting restrictions on teams/manufactorers just because theyre quicker sounds a bit like um..Nascar.

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    That was a great race. Glad to see KR win...

    When JPM got a flat with less than 10 laps left I knew Head would throw in the towel. My neighborhood could hear me screaming "NO, he was so close". Williams has to win atleast one this year.

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    Agreed

    But, I am wondering if the pit stop rule would really penalize the teams who work hard(er) or smarter and spend the most money. It's not limiting revs, or forcing a new tire package on them or anything like that. It would just make it harder to only pass using pit strategy. If you have the better car and driver, you should still win, but you may have to pass on the track. I dunno, it could be that MS/Ferrari is so good a pit strategy that it makes it look like something needs to change there, where it really comes down to the other teams doing a better job. Anyway, it's still something fun to argue about :)
    I am not looking for a way to slow down faster teams so things will be more competitive. I don't like watching Ferrari win every race, but I beleive it is up to the other teams to come up to Ferrari's level not to have Ferrari brought down to the other teams' level. I know that there will always be dominant teams, but hopefully it will be teams (plural) not just one team in the future. <html>
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    Re: Agreed

    Well I guess the only problem it might have is some of the mid-pack runners have less of a chance to score points. If you MAKE the teams do a certain number of pit stops, that eliminates teams like Sauber or Jaguar from running more fuel but one less stop. I think one of the biggest problems is this joke we call single lap qualifying!

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    Aerodynamics and tires are the problem!

    There is just toooo much down force and grip, PERIOD! They need to cut the rear diffuser and limit the amount of tires(harder compound). A shorter rear diffuser would reduce down force and allow for better slipstreaming. By using harder tires, the track would stay cleaner and allow a passer good grip on the "dirty" line.

    I think these two rules would be enough to make F1 better. They have been proposed by the FIA. Why not give them a try for next year and see if it works instead of trying to reinvent the wheel, no pun intended

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    Re: Aerodynamics and tires are the problem!

    Yep, we have talked about that before too. The announcers talked about it during the Hungary race. The front wing gives so much down force that when they get behind another car, the lose so much downforce that they CAN'T pass because of lack of grip.
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    Re: Aerodynamics and tires are the problem!

    I am in total agreement with you guys. The cars are so close to the edge of loss of all grip because of their aerodynamics and tires that passing is even more difficult. Late in the race it is almost impossible to pass due to the "clag" build up offline.

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    I almost got hit by "Clag"

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